I Made The Hate Site Again.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Leon, funny how you don't push Chris to answer questions but you do with other people.

I have not viewed some of Chris's recent threads positively and have told him as much in those threads, but I don't recall his name being associated with a website that is cowardly and anonymously insulting a fellow net54 member's sexuality. Chris's unanswered questions make himself look bad, and I don't expect a moderator to get involved there. The questions being put to
Travis are about his association with mudslinging another member's character and personal life. As such, I'm glad Leon is asking the same questions as others here.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I have not viewed some of Chris's recent threads positively and have told him as much in those threads, but I don't recall his name being associated with a website that is cowardly and anonymously insulting a fellow net54 member's sexuality. Chris's unanswered questions make himself look bad, and I don't expect a moderator to get involved there. The questions being put to
Travis are about his association with mudslinging another member's character and personal life. As such, I'm glad Leon is asking the same questions as others here.

What he said.

Ken

[thetruthisoutthere]

Travis posted this comment on Net54 about ANL:

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And this, too:


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[David Atkatz]

Find the articles Travis referred to. Are they signed?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Find the articles Travis referred to. Are they signed?

The last post quoted has Travis claiming authorship of an article on that website, also letting us know that he "won."

He has said here in this thread that he doesn't write for that site and doesn't know who does. I for one don't believe him.

Do you?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

The last post quoted has Travis claiming authorship of an article on that website, also letting us know that he "won."

He has said here in this thread that he doesn't write for that site and doesn't know who does. I for one don't believe him.

Do you?

i dont write for them and i dont know who does.

you are talking about two different sites. the open forum site, and now the closed forum site. i posted on the open forum site along with chris williams and others. no one here can post on the closed forum site. I am answering all your questions.

I never mention chris in any of those posts, so what's the problem? Chris posted on autographnewslive.com dozens of times, back when it was an open forum, just like me. why arent you busting his baseballs about it?

The thing about it is that Chris knows all this about the open forum where you sign up and post your articles or thoughts. He signed up. Chris Williams was a part of autographnewslive.com

But he purposely didn't tell you this because he doesn't want the truth to be revealed.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i dont write for them and i dont know who does.

you are talking about two different sites. the open forum site, and now the closed forum site. i posted on the open forum site along with chris williams and others. no one here can post on the closed forum site. I am answering all your questions.

I never mention chris in any of those posts, so what's the problem? Chris posted on autographnewslive.com dozens of times, back when it was an open forum, just like me. why arent you busting his baseballs about it?

The thing about it is that Chris knows all this about the open forum where you sign up and post your articles or thoughts. He signed up. Chris Williams was a part of autographnewslive.com

But he purposely didn't tell you this because he doesn't want the truth to be revealed.

Again, very interesting and illuminating.

I will ask both you and Chris: Do either of you know who is the moderator or owner of that site? If so, please let us know. It has been intimated here that it is Todd Mueller, but I have no idea either way.

[shelly]

It is not about way back when it is about today. I know you have read what they have said about people. Would you call it a hate site? Honestly yes or no. I think that is all anyone wants to know. I will tell you that I do and as you have read many other people feel the same.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

The last post quoted has Travis claiming authorship of an article on that website, also letting us know that he "won."

He has said here in this thread that he doesn't write for that site and doesn't know who does. I for one don't believe him.

Do you?

I'm not a great fan of Travis's. I'm kinda sick of hearing the same old, same old over and over again. But I don't believe in getting out the torches and pitchforks 'cause one particular self-aggrandizing, self-proclaimed "hero" decides to blame Travis every time he's attacked.
As long as Travis had nothing to do with the anonymous personal sh*t, then I don't care that he wrote a few autograph articles for that site--long before, it seems to me, the personal stuff was written.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I'm not a great fan of Travis's. I'm kinda sick of hearing the same old, same old over and over again. But I don't believe in getting out the torches and pitchforks 'cause one particular self-aggrandizing, self-proclaimed "hero" decides to blame Travis every time he's attacked.
As long as Travis had nothing to do with the anonymous personal sh*t, then I don't care that he wrote a few autograph articles for that site--long before, it seems to me, the personal stuff was written.

they won't stop david until they have everyone sign a piece of paper stating that who their friends are, which sites they have visited, and denounce these and praise these sites. loyalty oaths, mccarthyism. i wrote nothing about chris, he blames me. thanks.

david, did you know chris wrote on that website as much as I did, and even used more than one name, used anonymous names to fire back at people when they didn't know it was him, mr. marlin. for one.

Chris, please tell you only had one name at autographnewslive.com and you never signed up under a fake name. Why isn't he getting piled on for that?
because its fake, that's why. trying to elicit sympathy only because we disagree on things and don't see eye to eye. start up some controvery about me to turn people against me, what a joke!

I used only my real name when i signed up there and i have only used one name where ever I have posted. here, there or anywhere. my real name!

can chris say the same thing? no he can't.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

As long as Travis had nothing to do with the anonymous personal sh*t, then I don't care that he wrote a few autograph articles for that site--long before, it seems to me, the personal stuff was written.

This is not accurate.

At the time in question, ANL was a forum (like this one) and it also had a "blog" section where the same exact hate we see there today was posted.

An endless repetition of the same hateful attacks and talking points repeated in the forum (under fake names) and the anonymously written blog articles. The only difference today is the forum section is gone.

What Travis does not tell you is he was for a period a moderator of that forum. So he was made a moderator and didn't know who the site owners were that granted him moderator permissions? Strains credulity.

I don't think Travis writes the anonymous garbage, but I don't believe for a second he doesn't know deep down who does and it is some of the same people he has trumpeted as friends and "good guys." If he doesn't "know," it is willful blindness.

Thinking from the perspective of the targets of the hate site, it should be crystal clear why there is animosity toward Travis.

[travrosty]

I did write the jsa loa newsbreaking story on autograph news live, back when people could sign up and write stories there. so what?

also, autograph news live did break the pawn stars al pacino/al ruddy story. so what? everything i said was true.

i read autograph news live for the stories that are relevant to autographs. they post some very interesting relevant autograph stories. Chris Williams and others read it too, because they wouldn't know what the articles are if they didn't read them. Now I am getting singled out for reading stories on a site that others read too. thanks a lot.

some people dont like the national enquirer. but the national enquirer breaks relevant news stories.

the national enquirer broke the john edwards / rielle hunter story, first ones to break that story and report on it. national story that affected the political scene. so you cant say the national enquirer doesn't break big news stories. And they have broken more that one.

I don't know who posts the stories, i read the ones that break the stories that other websites don't or won't break, like the head of ebay saying that psa and jsa suck. you didnt read about that in SCD or Beckett, did you?

Pawn stars debacle back when it was an open forum, heritage posting jsa certs on items that jsa hadn't evaluated yet back when it was an open forum. that was me, i wrote that. heritage ended up changing their policy to the benefit of ALL collectors because of that. You can thank me later.

Chris Williams was a member there and all he wrote was this guys trash and that guys trash, same stuff we always hear from him. i didn't call people names on that site, i wrote relevant hobby stories like premature jsa certs at heritage, or how jsa's muhammad ali expert wrote an anonymous ebook about how the private dealers know ali autographs and the big companies dont know them very well at all and he wouldnt get their opinion on ali if he was going to buy. but instead he would trust the private dealers.

relevant stuff and if there is a clunker, I go to the next story nowadays. i don't control the content there. so quit acting like i do.

Please tell me what I wrote on those two posts that you creepily saved screenshots of, that was wrong or not the truth?

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

I did write the jsa loa newsbreaking story on autograph news live, back when people could sign up and write stories there. so what?

also, autograph news live did break the pawn stars al pacino/al ruddy story. so what? everything i said was true.

i read autograph news live for the stories that are relevant to autographs. they post some very interesting relevant autograph stories.

some people dont like the national enquirer. but the national enquirer breaks relevant news stories.

the national enquirer broke the john edwards / rielle hunter story, first ones to break that story and report on it. national story that affected the political scene. so you cant say the national enquirer doesn't break big news stories.

I don't know who posts the stories, i read the ones that break the stories that other websites don't or won't break, like the head of ebay saying that psa and jsa suck. you didnt read about that in SCD or Beckett, did you?

But it's relevant, and if there is a clunker, I go to the next story.

Please tell me what I wrote on those two posts that you creepily saved screenshots of, that was wrong or not the truth?

Interesting post, thank you.

How do you know what is a "clunker" in the Enquirer, or do you pick and choose what you want to believe? I don't read it because there are many "clunkers" and I won't give them my time.

How do you know what is a "clunker" on this autographnewslive website? All I have seen there is garbage and, based on what I've read there, I won't go back based on principle alone.

You should understand this, because this is similar to what you think of TPAs. Conversely, your attitude to those "news" sources is akin to many of our attitudes of the larger TPAs. If there's a clunker, we go to the next autograph. I feel confident that the percentage of authentic baseball autographs with JSA and PSA certs is greater than the percentage of truths in the Enquirer and on that joke of a blog site.

I know you cannot agree with this, but I'm at least hoping you can see the perspective being presented.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Interesting post, thank you.

How do you know what is a "clunker" in the Enquirer, or do you pick and choose what you want to believe? I don't read it because there are many "clunkers" and I won't give them my time.

How do you know what is a "clunker" on this autographnewslive website? All I have seen there is garbage and, based on what I've read there, I won't go back based on principle alone.

You should understand this, because this is similar to what you think of TPAs. Conversely, your attitude to those "news" sources is akin to many of our attitudes of the larger TPAs. If there's a clunker, we go to the next autograph. I feel confident that the percentage of authentic baseball autographs with JSA and PSA certs is greater than the percentage of truths in the Enquirer and on that joke of a blog site.

I know you cannot agree with this, but I'm at least hoping you can see the perspective being presented.

you are just arguing to argue now.