Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Ive admitted to what ive done. I lied to dan mckee, backed out of some deals, and lied in the past to purchase a card...

Oh, that's all...

Just so you know, this isn't going to go well for you Joey. Those are some serious admissions right there, after admitting you have done those things in the not-so-distant-past why would we care if the "other stuff" this guy is saying is true or not? What you have admitted to is imo just as bad or worse than anything he was accusing you of (whether true or not), thus I have no interest in you or your situation.

You Sir are an admitted liar... end of discussion!

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Oh, that's all...

Just so you know, this isn't going to go well for you Joey. Those are some serious admissions right there, after admitting you have done those things in the not-so-distant-past why would we care if the "other stuff" this guy is saying is true or not? What you have admitted to is imo just as bad or worse than anything he was accusing you of (whether true or not), thus I have no interest in you or your situation.

You Sir are an admitted liar... end of discussion!

Im not asking anyone to care, Im here to put a end to kirk's lies. Hes lied about multiple things and if Im going down then he needs to be outted to.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Im not asking anyone to care, Im here to put a end to kirk's lies. Hes lied about multiple things and if Im going down then he needs to be outted to.

LOLOL I don't even know who Kirk is and I don't care; however, if he screwed you over, he's now become my favorite person on Net 54. Consider him outed -- and applauded.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

Im not asking anyone to care, Im here to put a end to kirk's lies. Hes lied about multiple things and if Im going down then he needs to be outted to.

Let me get this straight, you are mad that someone is lying about you but you have proven that you, yourself are not beyond lying to other collectors if it suits your purpose? Did I miss anything? Pot... meet kettle.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Let me get this straight, you are mad that someone is lying about you but you have proven that you, yourself are not beyond lying to other collectors if it suits your purpose? Did I miss anything? Pot... meet kettle.

YES IVE ADMITTED TO LYING IN THE PAST. I admitted what ive done. Kirk on the other hand has not admitted that he's full of sh*t and thats why I made this post

[ALR-bishop]

....limit needed again

[calvindog]

Leon, can't Joey be banned for being an adult whose name is "Joey?"

[bigfish]

Nevermind.

[rhettyeakley]

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Rhett,

I respect your point of view and also happen to agree with it. The only reason I posted what I did was that Joey convinced Leon that this was a worthy pursuit.

I am unfamiliar with the principal players in this drama and have never dealt with any of them; however, think the hobby benefits when the truth rises to the surface.

As for Joey, I do not give him the benefit of the doubt here. His reputation precedes him. Seeing if he truly does turn a new leaf, moving forward, will be the determining factor.

Best Regards,

Eric

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Is this Kirk Keith guy even a member of this board? I don't recall seeing his name either. Not sure why this needed to be done here (but I respect Leon's judgement as I doubt I am fully aware of the goings on here).

Eric, I have no problem with someone trying to clear their name but to start throwing stones at someone on a forum and having these types of skeletons in your past is a bit hypocritical. I hope Joey does turn over a new leaf and doesn't lie to collectors I call friends, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt until his future actions bear this out.

Yes, Kirk (hi Kirk) is a member here. He has posted 291 times. He has been registered on this board for over 4 yrs. He is most likely on the board now.

A few points I want to make. I don't have anything against Kirk except for him bringing someone to the last Net54 dinner that wasn't interested in the dinner or speakers and made a small commotion. That wasn't really Kirk's fault and he apologized for his guest. No big deal.

Also, I in no way condone what things Joey (hi Joey) has done. I don't think his trading practices are ones we need on our BST and for the foreseeable future he won't be on it. Backing out of all of those deals, the lies etc,...etc....not cool at all. Still, I don't personally dislike Joey. I think he needs to change his ways, big-time though.

And for those that don't like this thread being here....Here is a short message I just sent to another forum member via email that pretty well sums it up.

"The reason I let the thread go is that I think even a guilty guy should get to defend himself. The guy did a ton wrong but was accused of a ton more and couldn't defend himself...to me that is not cool at all. But some members don't like it and I understand that too.."

[ATP]

If I were in yours shoes Joey, I would disappear from this thread. The multitudes will continue to come out and slam you with prior offenses, that are true. Whatever reputation you may hope to try to restore by settling one solitary issue with another will be buried in this thread for all future buyers and sellers of yours to see your screwups. Not a wise move in my opinion.

[Deertick]

I've always been proud to be Italian. Until now.

[oldjudge]

On second thought I'd rather not be part of this.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon-this is the type of post/ poster who is turning this site into a freak show, not a vintage card site. When will the "Vampire Cow Wills Heart to Brad Pitt" thread start? Get rid of this loser and keep the site from degenerating further.
And BTW, isn't taxman Glenn Mechanic, one of the nicest guys in the hobby?

no his name is kirk keith

[TaxMechanick]

As a lurker, I had to chime in here! Thanks Jay for the kind words. No, I am Tax Mechanick

Glenn

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Leon-this is the type of post/ poster who is turning this site into a freak show, not a vintage card site. When will the "Vampire Cow Wills Heart to Brad Pitt" thread start? Get rid of this loser and keep the site from degenerating further.
And BTW, isn't taxman Glenn Mechanic, one of the nicest guys in the hobby?

Agreed. Thread after thread of poorly written, misspelled he said/she said idiocy.

[gnaz01]

There is only one thing I want to do right now after reading through all of this