Rube was good but...

[glchen]

I don't think that PSA will say that they're liable because they will state that they were just following the old Standard Catalog in labeling the stamp as Ruth.

However, if PSA and SGC do follow Beckett and change this stamp to Marquard, the value will obviously drop like a rock. However, I'm not sure it's clear if they will. The TPG's usually follow the standard guides. However, if SCD removed the entry, but did not change it, then PSA and SGC may also not change it since they may still rely on what was in the older catalogs. However, if Beckett has changed it in their standard guide, then it's still possible PSA and SGC will use this and change it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

I don't think that PSA will say that they're liable because they will state that they were just following the old Standard Catalog in labeling the stamp as Ruth.

However, if PSA and SGC do follow Beckett and change this stamp to Marquard, the value will obviously drop like a rock. However, I'm not sure it's clear if they will. The TPG's usually follow the standard guides. However, if SCD removed the entry, but did not change it, then PSA and SGC may also not change it since they may still rely on what was in the older catalogs. However, if Beckett has changed it in their standard guide, then it's still possible PSA and SGC will use this and change it.

If any of them want to be correct they will change it to Marquard. I don't know how any collector can look at the Postcard and not say it's the same picture. Maybe I am more blind than I thought .

[glchen]

OK, it looks like in the 2012 version of the SCD, this was changed to Marquard. You can see this on Google Books here: Link. I would think that with this information, PSA and SGC should change it to Marquard even if it were possible that the artist modified the drawing slightly to resemble Ruth more. (BTW, I am not the consignor for this item, but I was seriously thinking of bidding strongly for it because Ruth items during his Red Sox days are so tough. I will pass on it now.)

[ullmandds]

psa has 2 listed in pop report...as ruth.

[aelefson]

Hi-
I am a frequent attendee of antique paper and ephemera shows. At these shows, this style of stamp is known as a "poster stamp". Within the poster stamp world, this is considered to be Ruth because of a contract that is signed by Ruth with the Youth Companion magazine. Supposedly, this contract is at the baseball hall of fame. I have heard this from multiple poster stamp dealers. Interestingly, these can be had in beautiful condition at paper shows for less than 100.00, and usually less than 50.00, so the identification of Ruth does not mean much to these dealers.
I have two, one in my Red Sox collection for Marquard and the other in my Hall of Fame collection (also Marquard). One I found in a scrapbook, but the other (in really nice shape) I got for 40.00 at the Hartford paper show about a year and a half ago.
I have never seen the contract, and for all I know it could have been for something that was not produced. I only want to clarify why at least some dealers label it as Ruth.

Alan

[h2oya311]

BOOM - tough actin' Tinactin! Take that Leon!! Thanks for the info Alan.



Honestly, why have you gotten so worked up over this?? Anyone can see the face on the stamp was modified from the original Marquard image. Look at that nose!!!

[EvilKing00]

I would not buy that thing........ but that rinkeydink ruth stamp, now that's what im lookin for!

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Look at that nose!!!

Admittedly, my eyesight isn't what it once was, but both noses look wide to me. I'll take your word for it though.

Interesting Alan, I reckon the Babe allowed them to use Rube's image. Apparently there weren't enough pictures of young Babe pitching; had to settle for a well established future hall of famer. He signed a contract for something that didn't have his name or actual image. Money for nothing.

From what I recall without getting the book out, the card catalogue only mentioned Ruth being associated with the stamp in the context of people think it might be him, not that it was him.

I have a Red Sox postcard with Babe hitting.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by aelefson

Hi-
I am a frequent attendee of antique paper and ephemera shows. At these shows, this style of stamp is known as a "poster stamp". Within the poster stamp world, this is considered to be Ruth because of a contract that is signed by Ruth with the Youth Companion magazine. Supposedly, this contract is at the baseball hall of fame. I have heard this from multiple poster stamp dealers. Interestingly, these can be had in beautiful condition at paper shows for less than 100.00, and usually less than 50.00, so the identification of Ruth does not mean much to these dealers.
I have two, one in my Red Sox collection for Marquard and the other in my Hall of Fame collection (also Marquard). One I found in a scrapbook, but the other (in really nice shape) I got for 40.00 at the Hartford paper show about a year and a half ago.
I have never seen the contract, and for all I know it could have been for something that was not produced. I only want to clarify why at least some dealers label it as Ruth.

Alan

Just wanted to update this thread per this comment. After seeing this, I emailed the Baseball Hall of Fame (research@baseballhall.org), and asked them the following question:

"I have an usual question. I am trying to determine who is on the picture of a 1917 poster stamp from Youth Companion magazine, a publication in Boston. Originally, the cartoon image player on the stamp was thought to be Babe Ruth. However, it has been found that there is a match for that image from one for Rube Marquard. There is a thread from a hobby forum on this issue here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169653
Because there was a match for this image for Rube Marquard, it was thought that this was definitively Marqard on the poster stamp. However, one of the posters in that thread has stated that Babe Ruth signed a contract with Youth Companion magazine, and that this contract is currently at the Baseball Hall of Fame. If this is true, then this brings back the possibility that the image on the poster stamp is intended to be Ruth, and that the artist modified the original Marquard image to make it appear more like Ruth.
Therefore my question is, does this contract for Babe Ruth with Youth Companion magazine indeed exist at the Baseball Hall of Fame, or was this just an unfounded rumor? I realize that this is an unusual request and do appreciate any assistance here."

Today, Bill Francis from the Baseball Hall of Fame replied, and stated that the Hall of Fame does not have a copy of this contract.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Good work Gary.