Where are all the super rare cards?

Leon · #1 06-03-2013, 08:56 AM

Bruce- Knowing you most likely won't come back to this thread to respond I will respond and feed the troll in you anyway. Many collectors collect for things other than the almighty dollar. Personally, I collect for many other reasons but with an eye on value too. If you had seen all of the alledgedly tampered with holders I have seen in the last 48 hours you would give pause to your ultra high grade cards quest. There are people actively tampering with holders and passing them off to people with your mindset. Good luck in the hunt....and btw, I will stick to my pr-vg+ collection and be happy all of the time. Here is one you won't find, let alone in high grade.

vintagecpa · #2 06-03-2013, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

...If you had seen all of the alledgedly tampered with holders I have seen in the last 48 hours you would give pause to your ultra high grade cards quest. ...

Any chance of throwing us a bone with some juicy details or is this part of something ongoing?

T206Collector · #3 06-03-2013, 09:09 AM

Are I sure this is not just a copy and paste job from a Archive thread?

Leon already made this point, but a lot of us regulars here can support it -- 1-of-1 and extremely valuable:

Leon · #4 06-03-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Any chance of throwing us a bone with some juicy details or is this part of something ongoing?

Let's hold off for now. I don't feel like going into the gory details in this thread but I have spoken with the ringleader of a ring of counterfeiters. I believe He is good at what he does too....this has to do with the whole Den Prak thing. Hopefully more people will go to jail soon.

rhettyeakley · #5 06-03-2013, 09:55 AM

Bruce: Look at my cards the numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Us: Oh, I see. And most cards only go up to ten?
Bruce: Exactly.
Us: Does that mean it's better? Is it any better?
Bruce: Well, it's one better, isn't it? It's not ten... Where can you go from there? Where?
Us: I don't know.
Bruce: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Us: Buy another eleven.
Bruce: Eleven. Exactly. One better.
Us: Why don't you just collect what you like regardless of the little number on the flip and do whatever makes one happy?
[Pause.]
Bruce: These go to eleven.

Sean · #6 06-03-2013, 10:03 AM

Excellent. A Spinal Tap reference. But I'm sure that the wise collector/investor won't get it.

bobbyw8469 · #7 06-03-2013, 10:15 AM

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In the past two years, I have only seen one card on BST that meets my standards in terms of grade and rarity.

I can only speak for myself and my experiences. I have high grade, rare cards that I am 100% positive would fit in your collection! However, I will NEVER sell them on the BST board. I recently had a 1959 Topps Mantle PSA 7 for $775 on the BST board. Not a nibble - nothing. I turned around and put in on Ebay where it sold for the low $900's. That is par for the course. Not that I am knocking the BST boards. I have sold some items on there. Just for the higher dollar items, most collectors are gonna follow the sellers who bring them the most money. It is NOT the BST board. It is PWCC, Probstein, REA, Greg Bussineau, Legendary, et al. That is why those four auction houses you speak of seem to be the only places getting high grade stuff. Because sellers like myself and others are sending them our high grade stuff.

bobbyw8469 · #8 06-03-2013, 10:27 AM

Recently Sean had a Clemente rookie PSA 7.5 on the BST boad for $3,500. He too, didn't get a nibble. He sold it on Ebay for around $4,800. The BST board is just not where you are gonna find those cards that you are describing.

brob28 · #9 06-03-2013, 10:39 AM

The market for these ultra rare high quality items is just fine. You see less of them simply because there are less of them and most buyers of ultra high end items (whether cards or other items) prefer to be discrete.

CW · #10 06-03-2013, 10:26 AM

Screw it -- I'll take the bait.

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There is a true distinction between creased old card and those ultra high grade rare cards.

Yes, one card is unaltered while the other has likely been worked on.

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It is too bad that those who appreciate the best rarely comment on the Board nor
do they communicate with other important collectors.

Maybe start your own messageboard rather than post here and whine? You can even call it "Net54 for Important Collectors".

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Like the great whales these collectors will continueto build the best collection and consume thousands of little fish along the way.

This might be the most idiotic statement I've read on these forums. And that's saying A LOT!

C.huck W.o|ff

Matthew H · #11 06-03-2013, 09:05 AM

Wow Leon, I didn't know that existed! Thanks for sharing. (not as cool as PSA 8 cracker jack fed leaguers, but still cool)

Bored5000 · #12 06-03-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

If you had seen all of the alledgedly tampered with holders I have seen in the last 48 hours you would give pause to your ultra high grade cards quest. There are people actively tampering with holders and passing them off to people with your mindset.

To me, it requires at least some suspension of disbelief to believe that 80-year-old cards or 100+ year-old cards show up in "mint" condition or "near-mint" condition. There are just too many cases of doctoring or fraud IMO to put faith in a card that old being what it seems.

auggiedoggy · #13 06-03-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000

To me, it requires at least some suspension of disbelief to believe that 80-year-old cards or 100+ year-old cards show up in "mint" condition or "near-mint" condition. There are just too many cases of doctoring or fraud IMO to put faith in a card that old being what it seems.

I also find it hard to believe that 100+ year old cards would stand the test of time so well. Makes you wonder how many fakes are owned by collectors of exclusively high-end material. Especially given the fact that there are people out there that can do a pretty decent job at producing fake but very realistic PSA holders! Oh well, perhaps authenticity is not the key factor for the wise collector/investor.

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