Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?

[Leon]

I have first hand knowledge that the scammers are not targeting collectors such as frequent this board, for the most part. They are selling on Craigslist, ebay and locally at shows etc... And they are doing it on the cards everyone knows about ie.... '52 Mantles, '09 Jackson rookies, '86 Jordons and Goudey Ruths etc... A lot of inexperienced people know what those are and can do a quick Google search to see they are valuable and what they sell for. Then, when they see a '52 Mantle, in a PSA 4 holder, for 5k, they jump on it. All the while the card in the slab is either fake or altered and has been put in the slab fraudulently by the scammers. If collectors get feedback from us on the board, or other hobby veterans, then they (most likely) won't get taken. It's the greed factor the scammers are counting on. I have spoken to the ringleader of a large fraud ring in the hobby for over 2 hours, within the last 2-3 days, on multiple calls. He is the one that is behind the Den Prak stuff too..but this guy is allegedly in Mexico and is very slippery. He has allegedly had a warrant for his arrest for a few years.

[brob28]

That's amazing that this guy would talk to you for that long Leon. Is he trying to convince you the cards are legit or is he actually coming clean with you? For obvious reasons I doubt he's coming clean. Can you tell us any details of the conversation(s)?

Regards,

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have spoken to the ringleader of a large fraud ring in the hobby for over 2 hours, within the last 2-3 days, on multiple calls. He is the one that is behind the Den Prak stuff too..but this guy is allegedly in Mexico and is very slippery. He has allegedly had a warrant for his arrest for a few years.

I'm amazed that this ringleader will openly talk about his fraudulent business for over 2 hours with someone he 1) doesn't know and 2) would likely help get him arrested.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

I'm amazed that this ringleader will openly talk about his fraudulent business for over 2 hours with someone he 1) doesn't know and 2) would likely help get him arrested.

Believe me guys, it's a bit surreal when talking to him. He is calculated and very good at what he does. He says he is in Mexico, 2000 miles from the border. I think there is a 50/50 chance of that. He uses a Magic Jack phone so it's not traceable. He uses a device (very common) which changes his IP address daily. He says he has never had a bank account nad has nothing in his name either. He is an identity thief and counterfeiter. He said he has hundreds of SSN's and other credit card and bank information on lots of people. He told me he does it because he has to support his lifestyle and can't make the kind of money he does, legally. One other board member has had similar conversations with him and he confirms the same things the scammer has been telling me. This scammer is the mastermind behind Edwin Arroyo, Den Prak (jailed) and some guy named Hernandez as well as others I am not familiar with. They are all in the San Diego area and close to the border. This same guy is the one who was on our board when I banned him, and was registered as John Perez....then he told me he was Den Prak, but Den was already in jail so that didn't work out for too long for him . I kept telling him he should use his smarts for good instead of bad but I don't think he cares or wants to. He is quite cordial on the phone.

[ullmandds]

I don't get it, Leon...how do you even get in contact with such a fellow...it seems so surreal?! Why would he want to talk to you?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I don't get it, Leon...how do you even get in contact with such a fellow...it seems so surreal?! Why would he want to talk to you?

He calls me or I call him. He has a new phone number every day though. As for wanting to talk to me. Well, I guess because I help run the board he feels his story is getting out or something. The other board member he talks to is a bit of a high profile person so I think he is intrigued with that aspect too. Why does an arsonist watch the fires they set? I can't get inside the mind of a person like that....but it is a bit interesting, in a morbid sort of way. United States authorities know all about this guy and my understanding is the Mexican authorities are not helpful in this matter.

[ullmandds]

Thanks...I figured he calls u or u call him...what I meant is how does one initially make such contact?! it's just bizarre!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Thanks...I figured he calls u or u call him...what I meant is how does one initially make such contact?! it's just bizarre!

Well, he was on the board for a while. Three days ago I emailed him asking him a question and the next day he called me. He has my phone number and email address (of course).