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06-15-2013, 03:26 PM
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Obc,
I have seen in my cousin's collection of press photos, two sets of doubles that he obtained. Both came out of same newspaper collection. I don't recall if one of the pairs had crop marks and one did not, that would make sense. I do remember one had clipping on back and one did not. The second pair I just don't recall if their were any differences.
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06-15-2013, 04:05 PM
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To add a few more factors to Mark's list that may account for some of the price spikes you have noticed:
Family members of players will often pay a premium for photos of their granddad/cousin/father/step-uncle/etc, regardless of whether he was popular or had a long career. I have a "watch list" of at least 100 names that I try to notify interested family members if/when I happen to have a photo of their family member, and I suspect have sold a great deal more photos to family members who didn't bother to identify themselves as such (for instance, who had the same last name). Ethnicity or nationality of players can be a factor, particularly for those who are among the first few of that group to play in the majors. The photographer, if known, can add a level of desirability, though it is often difficult to discern how much of the value is based on the pedigree vs. the quality of image for which the photographer is known for (in other words, is a Burke photo of a player worth more because it has Burke's name stamped on the back, or because the image that Burke typically produced, even of no-name players, is of a higher quality than most of his contemporaries?) The team that the player is associated with - just about every team has die-hard collectors who will pay more for anyone in the uniform of their chosen team, and some teams simply have more fans than others. When you're selling, you just have to hope that at least 2 die-hard fans are duking it out for your photos. Obscurity - goes along with the one above - if someone is looking to put together a collection of every player to play for a particular team, the guys who were only in that uniform for a short time can command a higher price than their stats might lead you to expect simply because there are not many images of them in that uniform Bottom line is, it all comes back around to what Mark and others have said in that you should collect what you like first and foremost. You could go crazy trying to figure out why one particular photo went so high, and even if you do decipher who is bidding on it and why, there is no guarantee that the next time a similar photo comes up one of the main competitors won't be away on vacation or something, resulting in drastically different results. Looking at only high-quality images of HOFers by famous photographers can give more predictable results, because there are always many eyes on those types of photos which takes out some of the variability, but even in the deep end of the pool there are still spikes and dips in prices.
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06-15-2013, 04:18 PM
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As far as the exact number of prints of any given photo that are in existence, I don't think there is any way to know for sure. For a given news service photo, you would have to know how many subscribers there were for that service at the time (which I have never seen any hard, or even soft, numbers for, has anyone else?), but even that would only give you a starting point and would not account for the numbers that were lost, destroyed in the process of creating the publication, or simply thrown out when the archives became too crowded or the publication folded.
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06-15-2013, 05:26 PM
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The one pair I was referring to was of when Ruth gave his daughter a blood transfusion. I have seen that photo before, or one like it. I am sure there were many photographers in the hospital taking pictures, and although same incident, the photos will be slightly different.
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06-17-2013, 07:09 AM
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Thanks for all this helpful information. Even though I'm new to vintage photo collecting ... I believe I'm beginning to understand better what to look for in old photographs ... beyond what I already like due to subject matter (Giants & Braves players). And most of what I know so far is due to the help of members like you on this board who are willing to share your experiences. Thank you all.
PS: Thanks to Lance I will have a copy of A Portrait of Baseball Photography by Fogel/Oser/Yee soon, and I really look forward to reading this book!
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06-20-2013, 05:55 PM
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Auction houses/catalogs that sell vintage photo's
Had another quick question about vintage photo collecting. What are like the top two or three auction houses that I should be aware of as far as those that often sell original sports photographs? For instance ... not too many years ago I used to get a Maestro (I think) catalog once or twice a year ... then it stopped coming (not sure why). I think there used to be some nice original photo's in those catalogs. So a few weeks ago I got on their website to order a catalog. Hopefully it will come soon. But are there any other big or small auction houses/catalogs I should be aware of ... that often auction original photographs? Thanks in advance!
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06-20-2013, 07:53 PM
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Jerry,
The collecting of vintage photography has really shot up over the past couple of years. With the release of more and more newspaper archives, it seems thousands of new pics have come onto the market. If I had to pick, I think Legendary and Heritage seem to be the most high end as far as the prices. Not to sell anyone short, but most of the top auction houses are listing multiple photos with each auction. Just keep searching.... Best, Mark
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06-20-2013, 10:03 PM
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+1 to everything Mark said.
Most all of the sports auction houses will have at least a couple of lots of vintage news photos and maybe a handful of cabinet photos in their auctions these days, though the way they deal with them can vary widely. On the news photos, you usually see more of the "group of hall of famers and stars" variety, with maybe a shot of the fronts of all of them (if the lot isn't too large, and you're lucky), but rarely are the backs shown, making it difficult to glean any kind of meaningful research from looking at the lots. Occasionally they might have a particular emphasis on photos for 1 catalog, which (lately) means that John Rogers has chosen that particular auction house this month. I know he's done several rounds through Legendary, at least one big run through Mears, and probably some others that I'm forgetting. Seems like it winds up being feast or famine when it comes to photos.
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