Unbelievable Marciano mess with certification-breaking story.

slidekellyslide · #1 06-22-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Dan, the other compaines that you named are known to bad.

. If what you are saying is true then psa and jsa both fall in with them.

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

cubsfan-budman · #2 06-22-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, I've never felt like JSA and PSA are trying to deceive...do they get it wrong sometimes? Yes. The others mentioned pretty much never get it right and their motives for passing bad autographs are nefarious IMO.

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

shelly · #3 06-22-2013, 06:22 PM

People who drink a fifth or take the fifth not sure.

slidekellyslide · #4 06-22-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

What do you call it when the "willfully" ignore evidence that they have incorrect exemplars? Or when they're proven wrong but won't admit it?

Mistakes are expensive and they don't like to admit them and that's wrong. I'm not in the corner of PSA or JSA, but I also don't equate them with the rest of the alphabet soup.

D. Bergin · #5 06-29-2025, 10:42 AM

Resurrecting a very old post. Sadly I'm recently seeing these Marciano typed/signed letters with JSA COA's resurfacing and selling for a pretty penny at auction.

Don't even think it's the sellers fault, as most of the research has disappeared from the internet since 2013, and the full JSA letters are still attached to the pieces.

David Atkatz · #6 07-13-2025, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Resurrecting a very old post. Sadly I'm recently seeing these Marciano typed/signed letters with JSA COA's resurfacing and selling for a pretty penny at auction.

Don't even think it's the sellers fault, as most of the research has disappeared from the internet since 2013, and the full JSA letters are still attached to the pieces.

Of course shit like this could be totally avoided.
All JSA and PSA have to do is admit when they're wrong (which is far more often than you might think), have serial numbers assigned to each CoA, and an up-to-date, posted list of which previously issued CoAs should not be considered valid.

But Step one is admit your mistake. And that's something that only Trump, MAGA Republicans, and authenticators never, ever do.

Brent G. · #7 07-14-2025, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Of course shit like this could be totally avoided.
All JSA and PSA have to do is admit when they're wrong (which is far more often than you might think), have serial numbers assigned to each CoA, and an up-to-date, posted list of which previously issued CoAs should not be considered valid.

But Step one is admit your mistake. And that's something that only Trump, MAGA Republicans, and authenticators never, ever do.

While I think you just broke Net54's First Commandment, I believe the unwillingness to admit fault is one of humanity’s greatest weaknesses and not limited by political affiliation. To your point, whether in business or in life, NO ONE is right all the time. To pretend otherwise is the real weakness.

Bpm0014 · #8 07-14-2025, 03:23 PM

And that's something that only Trump, MAGA Republicans, and authenticators never, ever do.

You been here way long enough to know the rules. And we're like only halfway through year 1. So 3.5 more years of this (and then 8 more of JD Vance)

David Atkatz · #9 07-14-2025, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent G.

While I think you just broke Net54's First Commandment, I believe the unwillingness to admit fault is one of humanity’s greatest weaknesses and not limited by political affiliation. To your point, whether in business or in life, NO ONE is right all the time. To pretend otherwise is the real weakness.

"NO ONE is right all the time."
No shit!
You ever hear Trump admit a mistake?

Leon · #10 07-14-2025, 09:15 PM

Hi David
You have been here a long time and offered a lot of good opinions on things. If you say another word about anything political you won't be here any longer. Thanks

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Of course shit like this could be totally avoided.
All JSA and PSA have to do is admit when they're wrong (which is far more often than you might think), have serial numbers assigned to each CoA, and an up-to-date, posted list of which previously issued CoAs should not be considered valid.

But Step one is admit your mistake. And that's something that only Trump, MAGA Republicans, and authenticators never, ever do.

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