need help big time cobb green back experts

[sflayank]

everyone on here seems to agree the 2nd card holder is fake and the flip is fake but
is it possible the cobb card itself is real and was removed from an authentic holder(trimmed or recolored or whatever) and placed in a fake psa holder and flip to upgrade the card

[christopher.herman]

In my opinion and without seeing the card in person:
1. The PSA holder/slab is real. (The slabs are way too easy to open and reseal. PSA needs to make them totally self destruct upon cracking, similar to Beckett.)
2. The flip is fake. (The font is significantly off.)
3. The card is a fake front. (Probably easily identified using a loupe in person. And the text looks black and too faint, similar to other reprints that I've seen.)
4. The back looks real and skinned to apply the fake
front. (Also the back does not line up to the front in terms of cut. Another red flag.)

Know your seller. Check the certs. Examine high dollar purchases in person, if possible. Pay with regular PayPal or a credit card so that you have some recourse in the event that fraud is evident.

Christopher.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by christopher.herman

In my opinion and without seeing the card in person:
1. The PSA holder/slab is real. (The slabs are way too easy to open and reseal. PSA needs to make them totally self destruct upon cracking, similar to Beckett.)

No. Tamper-evident is ok with me.

[Fred]

Why do people assume the flip is fake? It's really hard to compare the two flip scans because the scanners could be different, the resolution of the scans may not be the same and there could be other unaccounted for differences.

Seriosuly, if the person that owns the "fake" card really wants to do the hobby a favor then turn it over to PSA and let them investigate it. Better yet, why not allow the authorities investigate it. Sadly, many people may view this as a waste of public funds.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sflayank

everyone on here seems to agree the 2nd card holder is fake and the flip is fake but
is it possible the cobb card itself is real and was removed from an authentic holder(trimmed or recolored or whatever) and placed in a fake psa holder and flip to upgrade the card

That's a strange question. The obvious response would be: "Ask your friend - he has the card", but you said that he "lost his investment." If that's the case, then the card must be a fake, unless he thought it was fake and threw it away, but it was actually real. But I'm guessing that's not the case, or you wouldn't be asking us if it is real or not;i.e-someone is still holding the 'card', or this entire story is bogus.

Rather than present a mystery for us to solve without all the information, why not just tell us what you know from the very beginning?