JSA, PSA: Fake Sonny Listons piling up?

[trt58]

I agree with Shelly , and I'll go further JSA And Psa need to be investigated , they are corrupt, they will approve stuff that is bad , and they will reject stuff that is good . I have a Good Sonny Liston from my Uncle this index card was autographed at Sonny Liston's training camp in Peoria Illinois before the Patterson fight signed in front of him in. JSA wants $150 to authenticate, I'm tired of dealing with them. I have had several items in the past authenticated by both companies , but they both suck , they will have some stuff for 90 days then they give you back this letter saying they can make a decision , but you have credit ou can use for a year,. You mean to tell me you looked at an autograph for 90 days and had how many of your so call experts look at it and you can't make a decision. They don't even have any degrees or education in forensic handwriting . I met James spence's son and another JSA employee when they come out here in scottsdale az every 3 weeks , they don't have any kind of degree or an kind of forensic training other than from James spence Sr.

[D. Bergin]

I hate to say it, but you would have trouble getting anybody to authenticate that piece, and guys who attach the phrase "forensic examiner" to their resume, generally do not have a good reputation in this hobby.

Even if a reputable guy has "forensic training", they certainly are not going to brag about it these days. Plenty of others have put a nice big scarlet letter of shame on that phrase.

[1880nonsports]

if Rich Galasso is still in the hobby?

[1880nonsports]

"The most expensive autograph you can ever buy is one that's not authentic".

[Big Dave]

I believe Spence stated in one of the lawsuits he has been involved with, that he took a mail order forensic handwriting course and it was on his resume'.

[travrosty]

spence plays both sides of the fence, in the pcce video, he bashes forensices, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcBfhtuS5fE this is part one, i dont know which part he mentions forensics, only that he does.

then when it is convenient like his internet credentials, he likes to brag he has a forensics certificate.

that liston, by the way, no good, that is a wife signed liston, sonny must have been there, took the index card, passed it off to Geraldine below the radar and then gave it back to the collector.

[JimStinson]

Here is another one , Its a GPC postmarked Jan 5th, 1965. Signed by Mrs. Geraldine (The Devil Made me Do It) Liston I've had it for years. Wish it WAS signed by Sonny but its not.
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[johnmh71]

Originally Posted by travrosty

that liston, by the way, no good, that is a wife signed liston, sonny must have been there, took the index card, passed it off to Geraldine below the radar and then gave it back to the collector.

So I guess JSA got it right. You have to call it both ways.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I hate to say it, but you would have trouble getting anybody to authenticate that piece, and guys who attach the phrase "forensic examiner" to their resume, generally do not have a good reputation in this hobby.

Even if a reputable guy has "forensic training", they certainly are not going to brag about it these days. Plenty of others have put a nice big scarlet letter of shame on that phrase.

Funy you should say that. When Spence was the authenticator on now defunked show he would take great pride is saying he was forensic examiner. When not on the show he would blast forensic examiners. Jimmey is someone I would never trust to say if something is good or bad. That being said Steve Grad falls into that area as well.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by trt58

I agree with Shelly , and I'll go further JSA And Psa need to be investigated , they are corrupt, they will approve stuff that is bad , and they will reject stuff that is good . I have a Good Sonny Liston from my Uncle this index card was autographed at Sonny Liston's training camp in Peoria Illinois before the Patterson fight signed in front of him in. JSA wants $150 to authenticate, I'm tired of dealing with them. I have had several items in the past authenticated by both companies , but they both suck , they will have some stuff for 90 days then they give you back this letter saying they can make a decision , but you have credit ou can use for a year,. You mean to tell me you looked at an autograph for 90 days and had how many of your so call experts look at it and you can't make a decision. They don't even have any degrees or education in forensic handwriting . I met James spence's son and another JSA employee when they come out here in scottsdale az every 3 weeks , they don't have any kind of degree or an kind of forensic training other than from James spence Sr.

You have the nerve to call PSA and JSA corrupt while you post a photo of a Sonny Liston secretarial-signed autograph.

I guess ignorance is bliss.

[travrosty]

He did say they will pass the stuff that is bad, and they have passed numerous wife signed listons in the past, no one can dispute that.