1956 Mickey Mantle PSA 7 Rare HIGH END HIGH Grade

JollyElm · #1 07-03-2013, 01:24 AM

Agreed. On top is a legitimate '56 Mantle graded by PSA (not my card) the old way with the number next to the description of condition. Below it is the OP's card.

I'm certainly no expert, so I present this only for everyone's edification, but among the glaring differences on the flips are:
1. Square corners on the white portion vs. rounded corners.
2. Completely different UPC (?) code look, feel, size and positioning.
3. Different typefaces/weight throughout.
4. Type is much too close to the border on one side and much too far away from it on the other.
5. Type is spaced differently from the borders on top and bottom.
6. Different typeface/size for "PSA."

56mantle.jpg

orioles93 · #2 07-03-2013, 01:33 AM

Slab looks wrong to me to. I have been collecting, and buying & selling PSA cards for a while and something just looks off. My guess is, authentic card, lower condition probably PSA 4-5, put into a fake PSA 7 slab.

JollyElm · #3 07-03-2013, 01:47 AM

I now checked ebay and saw quite a few 1956 PSA graded cards that have similar flips to the OP's. I'm talking about a variety of different players, not just Mantle. To ease everyone's mind, we need someone with a knowledge of PSA flips to chime in here.

CollectiblesNJ · #4 07-03-2013, 01:49 AM

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=846031

This shows the flips throughout the ages.

This was cut in early 2000s according to seller, an practicing attorney in California. Flip style 3. Cert Matches. No frosting. I looked into all this before I purchased the card.

He emailed me with his law firm in the signature of his correspondence.

I mean don't get me wrong I could have been cleverly scammed. but I did my home work. This cert is not for sale anywhere else nor was ever sold from what I can find

corvette1340 · #5 07-03-2013, 05:50 AM

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=89073&page=13

http://bbcemporium.com/california-craigs-list-psa-scam

sflayank · #6 07-03-2013, 06:24 AM

fake

vintage954 · #7 07-03-2013, 06:26 AM

Wow, I cannot believe someone would even try and pass that off as a real NM 7. I'm gonna have to start really watching my purchases if this turns out to be true

Peter_Spaeth · #8 07-03-2013, 06:40 AM

Were flips with holograms faked?

Sean1125 · #9 07-03-2013, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Were flips with holograms faked?

Yes, they crack the entire slab so if it was a hologram slab it is just a junker card opened up. Here is an excerpt from BBCE:

Quote:

The scam, which originated in California, involved selling high dollar counterfeit cards in legitimate PSA holders. First, the scam artists buy several low dollar PSA graded cards. Next, they “crack” the cards out by separating the PSA holders at the seam. Even though PSA claims to have a “tamper evident” holder, it is quite easy to open the holder without damaging it. Once the holder is opened, the “flip” (label) and card are removed and replaced with a counterfeit card and flip. Finally, using a clear adhesive, the holder is resealed and ready to be sold.

All of the fake flips utilize legitimate cert numbers, so if the cards are looked up in PSA database, they will match the card in the holder, but realize these numbers can be easily obtained and have no meaning on determining whether the card is authentic or not.

The cards used in the scam are higher dollar mid-hi grade examples that are high in demand. Below is a list of cards most commonly found in the scam:

T206 Cobb Re portrait PSA 6
t206 Cobb Bat on PSA 6
1933 Goudey Ruth #53 PSA 5
1933 Goudey Lou Gehrig #92 PSA6
1934 Goudey Gehrig PSA5
1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 4
1952 Bowman Mantle PSA 6
1954 Aaron PSA 7
1954 Aaron PSA 6
1955 Clemente PSA6
1956 Mantle PSA 7

brian29575 · #10 07-03-2013, 07:36 PM

Using app on my phone, the Barcode scans correctly, so that has to be a good sign.

Card looks like it meets PSA 7 standards to me

bobbyw8469 · #11 07-04-2013, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Card looks like it meets PSA 7 standards to me

Then I had a '6.5' that should have been a '9' of this card then, cause it blew the doors off that '7'. I suggest a vision check with your local physician immediately.

#12 07-16-2013, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian29575

Using app on my phone, the Barcode scans correctly, so that has to be a good sign.

Card looks like it meets PSA 7 standards to me

I agree. It's pretty easy to rip any card to shreds when it's magnified 300%.

sycks22 · #13 07-03-2013, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buyerz_Paradise

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=846031

This shows the flips throughout the ages.

This was cut in early 2000s according to seller, an practicing attorney in California. Flip style 3. Cert Matches. No frosting. I looked into all this before I purchased the card.

He emailed me with his law firm in the signature of his correspondence.

I mean don't get me wrong I could have been cleverly scammed. but I did my home work. This cert is not for sale anywhere else nor was ever sold from what I can find

Once the words "practicing in California" was uttered the gun was unloaded on your foot. I hate to see people getting scammed (not saying you're the scammer at all). It's crazy what people will do for a quick buck.

#14 07-16-2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buyerz_Paradise

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=846031

This shows the flips throughout the ages.

This was cut in early 2000s according to seller, an practicing attorney in California. Flip style 3. Cert Matches. No frosting. I looked into all this before I purchased the card.

He emailed me with his law firm in the signature of his correspondence.

I mean don't get me wrong I could have been cleverly scammed. but I did my home work. This cert is not for sale anywhere else nor was ever sold from what I can find

Another difference between flips 2 & 3, that I noticed after doing some research today is, that aside from the hologram changing from "PSA" to "Collectors Universe" from flips 2 to 3, the embossed PSA (which appears on the bottom right of the front of the case on both flips) can also be found on the back of flip 3 (same position) but is not found on the back of flip 2 (at least not for 1951 Bowman's and presumably other non-standard sized cards). This is not mentioned in the forum linked above and has been driving me crazy because my 1951 Willie Mays with flip 2 does not include the embossment but apparently flip 3's do. I've included exemplars of flips 2 (the Mantle and Ford) and a flip 3 (Mays) which includes the embossed "PSA" on the back if you look very closely.

Edit: This at the very least seems to be the case for the 1951 Bowmans and presumably other non-standard sized cards, which may explain why some flip 2's have the embossed "PSA" on the back bottom right corner (see link above in quotes for examples) while others (non-standard size) don't. I will add a scan of my card in the post to follow as I cannot do it when editing an existing post.

#15 07-16-2013, 03:36 PM

Picture of the back of my Mays with PSA flip #2. Notice the absence of the "PSA" embossment on the lower right corner...just like the Mantle and Ford shown above

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