Don Miller autograph 1927 Yankee

[JimStinson]

Poor Buckner , It was not Buckner's fault at all he was playing injured could barely walk actually , and with the lead they had....It was the manager's job to place a defensive sub at first that could at least walk..
Manager blew it not Bill Buckner.
And give the Mets some credit for taking advantage of it and having the tenacity to come back and win , except for Keith Hernandez who was already in the clubhouse drinking a beer and thinking "wait till NEXT year"..
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[packs]

I don't understand why Buckner gets all the heat. As was pointed out, making the play wouldn't have given Boston the win.

The same thing with Bucky Dent's homerun. I get it, the home run put the Yankees ahead. But it didn't win the game. After he hit the home run the Red Sox rallied for four runs in the bottom of the 8th. Reggie Jackson's home run in the top of the 8th was the one who won the game for the Yankees. Not Bucky Dent's.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't understand why Buckner gets all the heat. As was pointed out, making the play wouldn't have given Boston the win.

The same thing with Bucky Dent's homerun. I get it, the home run put the Yankees ahead. But it didn't win the game. After he hit the home run the Red Sox rallied for four runs in the bottom of the 8th. Reggie Jackson's home run in the top of the 8th was the one who won the game for the Yankees. Not Bucky Dent's.

Bucky Dent's homerun put the Yankees up 4-2, Reggie added an insurance homerun in the top 8th to go up 5-2. Boston scored two runs in the bottom of the 8th and the Yankees held on. Reggie's homerun provided the difference in the end, but Bucky's blast was a three-run shot hit by a guy that had 5 total in 1978.... Hence the Seriously? Bucky *BLEEPING* Dent?

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by mschwade

Bucky Dent's homerun put the Yankees up 4-2, Reggie added an insurance homerun in the top 8th to go up 5-2. Boston scored two runs in the bottom of the 8th and the Yankees held on. Reggie's homerun provided the difference in the end, but Bucky's blast was a three-run shot hit by a guy that had 5 total in 1978.... Hence the Seriously? Bucky *BLEEPING* Dent?

Least we not forget that the Dent homer would not even have happened , Had the unstoppable Ron Guidry (25-3 , 1.74 era) beaten the last place 59-102 Toronto Blue Jays in the last regular season game. Instead the Jays pulled off a win Knotting up the season and forcing the Sox vs Yanks duel.
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[packs]

Litterally, I know why people remember Bucky Dent. But if you talk to casual sports fans they always think his home run won the game just like they think if Buckner had caught the grounder the Red Sox would have won the series.

In fact I'd bet most casual fans don't even know there was a 7th game played after the Buckner game.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by packs

Litterally, I know why people remember Bucky Dent. But if you talk to casual sports fans they always think his home run won the game just like they think if Buckner had caught the grounder the Red Sox would have won the series.

In fact I'd bet most casual fans don't even know there was a 7th game played after the Buckner game.

Wasn't there a guy that landed on the field in a parachute around the 3rd inning ??? of the 6th game Mets vs Sox. The 7th game is less remembered because (I think) most people took for granted that the Sox were so devastated & deflated by the sixth game loss, that they might as well have just "Gone fishing" that day , I know Yogi said "its not over till its over" but after the 6th game IT WAS OVER ...
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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by packs

Litterally, I know why people remember Bucky Dent. But if you talk to casual sports fans they always think his home run won the game just like they think if Buckner had caught the grounder the Red Sox would have won the series.

In fact I'd bet most casual fans don't even know there was a 7th game played after the Buckner game.

Is 'Litterally' a combination of 'Little' and 'Literally'? Or something involving 'litter'?

I'm just a casual remembererer.

[jerseygary]

I don't buy into that whole "deflated" argument that gets used for teams like the '86 Red Sox Game 6 and the 2003 Cubs after that fan incident. Both teams had a whole game to redeem themselves and to use a last minute loss as an excuse is just wrong. If they couldn't find it in themselves to pick themselves up and start fresh the next game, then they didn't deserve to win and the best team won. Take the 2001 Diamond Backs win over the Yankees - how many of those games did Arizona blow, yet they had the fortitude to win the series in the end. Now that's a team should have been deflated, but wasn't.

[packs]

Sometimes all you've got to hold onto is a spelling error.

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Least we not forget that the Dent homer would not even have happened , Had the unstoppable Ron Guidry (25-3 , 1.74 era) beaten the last place 59-102 Toronto Blue Jays in the last regular season game. Instead the Jays pulled off a win Knotting up the season and forcing the Sox vs Yanks duel.
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Shucks , memory first to go when getting old ...it was Cleveland not the Jays although the Jays DID hand Guidry one of his 3 losses but it was over a week before , Yanks lost to Cleveland in final game and was Hunter that started and not Guidry. Like Rose Ann Rosanadana would say "nevermind"
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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't understand why Buckner gets all the heat. As was pointed out, making the play wouldn't have given Boston the win.

Because he's the one who missed the easy grounder in a tight game. That's really all it amounts to. I used to have a recurring dream where I didn't put my glove down until the ball arrived, and I missed the ball - that's how much my coaches used to drill that into me.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

Poor Buckner , It was not Buckner's fault at all he was playing injured could barely walk actually , and with the lead they had....It was the manager's job to place a defensive sub at first that could at least walk..
Manager blew it not Bill Buckner.
And give the Mets some credit for taking advantage of it and having the tenacity to come back and win , except for Keith Hernandez who was already in the clubhouse drinking a beer and thinking "wait till NEXT year"..

I always have to laugh when I hear people say "poor Buckner" as he was one of the first to criticize Leon Durham for letting a ball go through his legs against the Padres in the 1984 playoffs. For those who don't remember, there was a first baseman controversy in '84 with the Cubs as Leon Durham eventually won the job from Billy Buck who would soon be shipped off to Boston. After Durham booted the ground ball Buckner was quoted as saying that if he was in the game he would have never missed that ball, implying that the Cubs would have been in the series if he was there. Two years later, Buckner was in the same situation and was now the goat for his miscue.

I remember talking to Jay McCracken, then of Upper Deck at the Field of Dreams show in Iowa back in '92 or so and I asked him if Buckner's Upper Deck card from 1990 which showed him fielding his position but you could clearly see the large tarp between his legs was intentional and he looked at me, winked and said, "what do you think".

I think it is time Buckner is let off the hook for this one though.