Fake Mantle On Heritage Auctions

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by joed25

No. They call it "pre certified by PSA". But they will refund you if it fails PSA.

precertified by psa means it is GUARANTEED to get a full psa LOA.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

precertified by psa means it is GUARANTEED to get a full psa LOA.

PSA is not going to authenticate that Mantle and I am sure Heritage will pull it.

Odds are that Todd Mueller would approve that Mantle.

[johnmh71]

That signature is flat out banana awful.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

PSA is not going to authenticate that Mantle and I am sure Heritage will pull it.

Odds are that Todd Mueller would approve that Mantle.

it says precertified, wonder what that means.

psa and jsa are heritages tpa's and mueller is not even a third party authenticator.

nice try at a deflect though.

if it hasnt been precertified, why does it say precertified?

[jhs5120]

Someone will buy it, send it to PSA, have it denied, and make a few bucks on their precertification guarantee. Heritage should probably put a little more effort into what the sell.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Someone will buy it, send it to PSA, have it denied, and make a few bucks on their precertification guarantee. Heritage should probably put a little more effort into what the sell.

We are talking about Heritage here.

[Plinvestments]

Heritage has a bad habit of listing items as pre-certified before PSA looks at them. Once PSA does, and if it doesn't pass, they pull the item.

[travrosty]

And when you call them on it they ban you. 5 people got the axe last time.

[shelly]

That Mantle is from B and J and still has the shrink wrap on it. They sold thousands of those Mantles on Shop At Home.

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by travrosty

it says precertified, wonder what that means.

psa and jsa are heritages tpa's and mueller is not even a third party authenticator.

nice try at a deflect though.

if it hasnt been precertified, why does it say precertified?

Heritage really shouldn't post items for bid that say pre-certified unless they have actually been pre-certified, but they have done so in the past and said as much on these boards. Has this item actually been pre-certified, or not? We don't know.

It is a blatant forgery. If it stays up, it is another blight on PSA's record. If it comes down, it is a further blight on Heritage. Somebody needs to fix something; it sucks to see bad autos for sale.

[RichardSimon]

Heritage,
In the hobby language pre certified usually means that some TPA has looked at the item.
Your hobby dictionary seems to be different than anybody else's hobby dictionary.
I agree that PSA probably would not pass that Mantle but why does it say pre certified. By whom? By your staff of experts? That is not what is implied in your ad.

[kneerat]

Hello,

Each autographed item in our Sunday Internet Sports Auction is entered into our sale as “Pre-Certified” (for administrative purposes) and then goes under review by PSA/DNA. Once they pass the lot we add “PSA/DNA” to the description. If the item fails authentication, it is removed from the auction immediately prior to the auction close. Please keep in mind that we stand behind every lot sold in our auction. Heritage Sports has sold more than 450 Mickey Mantle single signed baseballs which are all available for review in our auction archives, and in addition, each has been authenticated by PSA/DNA or JSA.

Thank you and as always, if you have any question, please feel free to contact me directly.

Chris

[travrosty]

If it is for 'administrative' purposes, why is the public allowed to see it?

Don't you think if the public sees 'precertified' they might get the impression that the item is 'precertified'.??? So it says precertified, but it's really not.

The money spent preparing the item and photographing it, and uploading it to auction could be spent by having someone who can spot the EASY ones and make sure they don't make it to the website in the first place.

It's up for bids, has a current bid of 8 dollars. You NOW KNOW IT'S FAKE, but it's still on the website, and will remain there until psa let you know? what is going on. You know it's no good! take it down please.