Trying to identify new T206 underprints...or stamp.

z28jd · #1 07-07-2013, 01:22 PM

I have a card with a weird marking I wondered about too. Didn't look like a stamp added on later to me. I'm guessing those cards you posted could have been on sheets that may have been test runs and were blank before the Piedmont back was added. Basically, scrap

thehoodedcoder · #2 07-07-2013, 02:33 PM

looks like the cards were in a pile...they got damp/moist, perhaps in someones basement and something else transferred the ink to them...perhaps a newspaper.

thats the most plausible explanation imo.

kevin

steve B · #3 07-07-2013, 02:59 PM

It's probably going to be a long search to find what the other item was. It really does seem printed, rather than stamped.

I can't really tell if it's over the t206 backs or under. Either way you're probably right about it being some other thing being setup. There are almost always what's called "make-ready" sheets, used for press adjustment. There's a bit of setup, getting the registration right, and sometimes making sure the inking is right before printing the actual production run. Usually only a few sheets, 5 to 10, maybe more if the pressman isn't all that good. The guy I worked with could get things near perfect in less than 5 sheets, it took me 10, but that was the first time doing it. The last thing I setup I got it in 6 which he thought was really good. The sheets used were always either leftovers from something else, or damaged paper. No point in wasting a good sheet.

That batch is interesting. There's at least 3 different sheets. The SC, of course is different, and the piedmonts are two or three different ones. One has two impressions with a good deal of distance between them. Either run through twice or they left the inking on while moving one of the rollers over. The logo is obviously doubled. There's another with no second impression, and maybe one with a slight distance between two impressions.

Another thing I noticed is that -I think- the hand is actually holding the logo. If you turn the logo upside down it matches up with the hand fairly well. So I'm thinking the image is a hand holding a playing card or maybe a package of something, with either berries or flowers on either side.
Probably a trade card. But very hard to figure out with just the one color. If it's a package, maybe cigarettes?

Steve B

mrvster · #4 07-07-2013, 03:17 PM

to own the Griffith thanks to a fellow board member

....I have been trying to pick up a "berry" since the 2012 REA Lake

.....but this week, my friend got me one, thanks

....1000% scrap....just need to correlate the logos to some type of era trade card( like Steve said, or a tonic, laxative ect)...

seems 100 % plausible these were set up, test sheets.....

two years now these berries are "haunting" me.....i'm so happy to add another scrap

....one more closer to wagner.....

Anyway, WE NEED HELP!!

Find the BERRIES

Steve, great input as always from our resident printer to give us insight from the inside, THANKS

And Chris, THANKS for putting this thread together....almost sick how we think alike on these

peace

johnny

Gradedcardman · #5 07-07-2013, 03:39 PM

Johnny,

I stick with my statement from last week...you and Chris are really the same person...admit it !!

mrvster · #6 07-07-2013, 03:51 PM

Your the man!

Addicted to scrap

Cardboard Junkie · #7 07-09-2013, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z28jd

I have a card with a weird marking I wondered about too. Didn't look like a stamp added on later to me. I'm guessing those cards you posted could have been on sheets that may have been test runs and were blank before the Piedmont back was added. Basically, scrap

Hey, I got a t206 (Merkle portrait) with the same weird print on back as yours! I don't have a scan of the back right now but here's the front. I'll find that card and get you a scan of the back, (BTW "The Great T-206 backstamp project" site has a lot of cool stuff (but not ours). Also mine doesn"t have initials stamped on it like yours. Who is your card of? Dave.

mrvster · #8 07-09-2013, 05:42 PM

is that a belt loop??? w a comb in back pocket?? with a dog in the pants??

....on the sweet cap??

man, i'm getting delirious

mrvster · #9 07-11-2013, 02:03 PM

is in and 1000% scrap!!

extremely happy....thanks a.b.

Exhibitman · #10 07-11-2013, 02:11 PM

Interesting thread. Ever since I got it I've been trying to figure out what this one is:

MVSNYC · #11 07-11-2013, 03:08 PM

Adam, looks like a wet sheet of loose-leaf paper was once laid over it.

mrvster · #12 07-11-2013, 05:35 PM

Charlie said the "hand" on the Griffith looks like it's holding a cigar.....and the "berries" look like a vine....

Sean · #13 07-11-2013, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Adam, looks like a wet sheet of loose-leaf paper was once laid over it.

It looks like a Wet Sheet Transfer to me as well, though I can't tell what that sheet was.

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