P.H. Mayo & Brother Tobacco Co. Patsy Cahill

[timn1]

"While most would assume this photo dates from 1888, our research suggests that this print does not date to the nineteenth century, but was in fact made after 1900. Wendell Photographic Art Studios was in business at the address on the envelope starting in 1902, through the late teens."

This is Lifson's copy on the auction lot from 2005.
http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2005/122.html

His dating of 1902 or after seems mostly to be based on the record of that particular photo studio's business address. So I think I should try to do more research on the address 78 Pearl St. for Meyrowitz Bros.

Right now it appears that is their 1880s address, which might make this particular piece a late-80s vintage (since the photo is an Old Judge pose), even if other cabinet-sized prints were made later--

Thanks for tolerating my rather blundering efforts here--

Tim

[1880nonsports]

about 10 years ago (large one). The most bothersome thing about these are the different tobacco brands previously un-associated with such an item. The paper and images are real - the ? is about when/why the photographs were taken and when the printing took place (also why the banner was added for example with Mayo's if they weren't for production).
I had a very similar grouping of the small sized images I bought at the White Plains show around 1996 wrapped inside a black folding envelope like container - which I sold to Tery Knouse Sr.. They were all OJ type poses. The neat part were some notations on the packet seemingly related to the production. They were small like the one from the OP but can't remember much else about it (CRS/TMS).

[smokelessjoe]

Not sure if this helps or not, but here is an adv. for Meyrowitz Brothers.... From the Albany NY Evening Journal Dated June 23rd 1885. Appears to have the same address that is on the back of Tims frame.

[smokelessjoe]

Here is another one.... 1884 - Any idea what photographic outfits are? Clothes???

[sb1]

Photographic outfits would have been lens for the early day cameras.

[timn1]

Yeh, all the stuff you needed to outfit yourself as an amateur photographer -- your kit.

So far all the refs I've seen to Meyrowitz at 78 N Pearl have been from the 1880s (earliest 1880, latest 1889). There are plenty of references to 68 N Pearl extending into the 1920s. Still hoping to nail down when they moved to 68, because if that was soon after 1890, that would suggest the photo was made and framed soon after it was taken, and the piece is an Old-Judge era piece, not a 20th-c throwback.

Tim

[smokelessjoe]

Ok, here are a couple more ads.... These have the 68 Pearl address - the first one (cameras) is from 1895 and the second (thermometers) is 1899....