OT: Congrats little Timmy!

ZenPop · #1 07-14-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wite3

No San Francisco Giant should be considered for the HOF...

just my opinion as a Dodger fan.

Ha ha... too late... as the New York / San Francisco Giants have more Hall of Famers than ANYBODY! Woo Hoo!

As for the quip about it only being "against the Padres"... What team do you root for and when was your last no-hitter against the Padres? ha ha...

ATTAWAY TIMMY!!! HOF or not, he'll be remembered forever for the amazing run he's had... Two Cy Youngs, Two World Series Championships, Strikeout Leader, No-Hitter, Dynamic Playoff performer... all in a small package of dynamite.

clydepepper · #2 06-25-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenPop

Ha ha... too late... as the New York / San Francisco Giants have more Hall of Famers than ANYBODY! Woo Hoo!

As for the quip about it only being "against the Padres"... What team do you root for and when was your last no-hitter against the Padres? ha ha...

ATTAWAY TIMMY!!! HOF or not, he'll be remembered forever for the amazing run he's had... Two Cy Youngs, Two World Series Championships, Strikeout Leader, No-Hitter, Dynamic Playoff performer... all in a small package of dynamite.

Just to add fuel to the fire...

The Giants ONLY have more HOFers than the Yankees because of one very influential man on the Veteran's Committee- Frankie Frisch

itjclarke · #3 06-25-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper

Just to add fuel to the fire...

The Giants ONLY have more HOFers than the Yankees because of one very influential man on the Veteran's Committee- Frankie Frisch

Don't really see this as an opportunity for debate.. But ok. I'll happily take Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry's SF era years alone, over many other franchises complete histories.

Add Mathewson, Ott, Terry, Hubbell... And prior to turn of century Rusie, McGinnity, Keefe, Welch, McGraw, O'Rourke, Ewing (on my phone at airport or would find some more legit ones).. On and on. You don't even need to gimme T Jackson, Bancroft, Kelly, etc.

Exhibitman · #4 06-25-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

Don't really see this as an opportunity for debate.. But ok. I'll happily take Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry's SF era years alone, over many other franchises complete histories.

Add Mathewson, Ott, Terry, Hubbell... And prior to turn of century Rusie, McGinnity, Keefe, Welch, McGraw, O'Rourke, Ewing (on my phone at airport or would find some more legit ones).. On and on. You don't even need to gimme T Jackson, Bancroft, Kelly, etc.

What about Bonds?

Er, never mind.

itjclarke · #5 06-25-2014, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by clydepepper

... my favorite players, Will Clark.

The Thrill was by far my favorite player as a kid. Being a left handed first baseman, I tried to emulate everything he did (except didn't bat left handed), including the eye black, blowing bubbles mid-play, pointing to my teammates after hits, and perfecting facial expressions including the one sided smile and that strange ridiculous but awesome game face frown. Love that guy! Not really interested to argue other points nor to hear from Yankee fans (I like my teams' HOFers, you/they can like theirs), but I guess I'll read it if they post it.

Regardless, congrats again Timmy and stay hot! I'll be at his next start in SF with one my best friends and a die hard Cards fan.. Gonna be awesome and electric.

Btw- I definitely think Timmy still tokes

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

What about Bonds?
Er, never mind.

Was limiting list to current HOFers, otherwise would have listed our former resident red ass and porn stache'd Jeff Kent too. I think Mr Bonds should be a HOFer too... But think Kent may have a better shot (though voting doesn't support it yet). If sport writers remain on their moral high horse about the cheaters, they may as well reward bonus points to the uber clean Kent who's one of the first to go on record and demand testing (he and Glavine are in a class of their own in that regard)... Also offensively one of the most productive 2nd baseman ever.

ooo-ribay · #6 06-25-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

The Thrill was by far my favorite player as a kid. Being a left handed first baseman, I tried to emulate everything he did (except didn't bat left handed), including the eye black, blowing bubbles mid-play, pointing to my teammates after hits, and perfecting facial expressions including the one sided smile and that strange ridiculous but awesome game face frown. Love that guy! Not really interested to argue other points nor to hear from Yankee fans (I like my teams' HOFers, you/they can like theirs), but I guess I'll read it if they post it.

Regardless, congrats again Timmy and stay hot! I'll be at his next start in SF with one my best friends and a die hard Cards fan.. Gonna be awesome and electric.

Btw- I definitely think Timmy still tokes

Was limiting list to current HOFers, otherwise would have listed our former resident red ass and porn stache'd Jeff Kent too. I think Mr Bonds should be a HOFer too... But think Kent may have a better shot (though voting doesn't support it yet). If sport writers remain on their moral high horse about the cheaters, they may as well reward bonus points to the uber clean Kent who's one of the first to go on record and demand testing (he and Glavine are in a class of their own in that regard)... Also offensively one of the most productive 2nd baseman ever.

I'm a huge Giants fan but would not be surprised at all if Kent took PEDs. How else can you explain his 37 HR (and Aurilia's 37) when no one other than Bonds has hit more than 27 since? Just like the finger wagger, Kent doth protest too much.

and I'm still pissed by Kent's no-show in the 2002 WS.

itjclarke · #7 06-25-2014, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I'm a huge Giants fan but would not be surprised at all if Kent took PEDs. How else can you explain his 37 HR (and Aurilia's 37) when no one other than Bonds has hit more than 27 since? Just like the finger wagger, Kent doth protest too much.

and I'm still pissed by Kent's no-show in the 2002 WS.

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely of the mind that any of them could be (could've been) dirty. In my mind this includes iconic players from the pre- recognized steroid era (when I think plenty of guys did roids.. The old kind)... Ryan, Ripken, Schmidt, who knows??? This is one reason it drives me nuts to see Bonds/Clemens bear ten times the brunt of all other players. I think it's very probable there are roiders in Cooperstown, but they were just lucky enough to have played before baseball (and writers) grew a conscience toward such things.

The only reason I give Kent benefit of doubt is that he was so adamant about mandatory testing before anyone else was.. except maybe Glavine. Part of me wouldn't be surprised if he suspected or knew many of his teammates were juicing (Santiago, Rios, Estalella, Santangelo, Bernard... And yes, I've been suspicious of Richie, nice guy or not, as well as the super beefed up 2000 version of Ellis Burks) and was infuriated by it. Kent has never been known to be popular with teammates, and also didn't have patience for players he didn't like (see final years in LA playing with Matt Kemp and company).

If writers so condemn what would have been HOF worthy guys for doing what most of the league was doing, they may as well give brownie points for a guy who stood up to it. Seems like a fair trade to me. Especially when that guy has hall worthy 2nd base offensive stats.

(Love your username btw!)

the 'stache · #8 06-27-2014, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

The Thrill was by far my favorite player as a kid. Being a left handed first baseman, I tried to emulate everything he did (except didn't bat left handed), including the eye black, blowing bubbles mid-play, pointing to my teammates after hits, and perfecting facial expressions including the one sided smile and that strange ridiculous but awesome game face frown. Love that guy!

That's really interesting, Ian. Something else we have in common. I always loved Will Clark. He eventually made his way down to Texas, and played with the Rangers for most of the second half of his career. I saw him a few times at the Ballpark in Arlington. He just mashed the ball. I always put him and Robin Yount in the same category. I felt they were both throwback players. Just the way they approached the game. Never showy, never flashy. They just went out there every single day, did their jobs exceedingly well, and at the end of the day, you always felt you got more than 100% from them.

Clark had one of the sweetest swings I've ever seen, too. That front leg of his would just kick out perfectly straight. Then his hips would start to rotate, and then he'd get that full extension of his arms, and the bat head would just whip through the strike zone. So fluid. It's as if God made him to play baseball. If you'd ask me to name two of the most beautiful swings I've ever seen, I'd put Ken Griffey Jr. and Will Clark right at the top. And Clark was so good at just taking what the pitcher was giving him. He could just rip it into the seats in right field, or just pop it to the opposite field in left. He never got fooled.

There were 170 hitters between 1980 and 2000 to have 5,000 or more at bats. Of those, only 17 had a higher OPS than Will Clark's .880. He hit with power, and he got on base. Very underrated player, if you ask me.

itjclarke · #9 06-27-2014, 02:19 AM

Oh don't even get me started on Clark's swing!!!

So so sweet. He had the most fluid hips, and yes, always seemed to get great extension, and sweet spot, even on inside pitches.

During the height of the roid era, announcers would always marvel at how Sosa or McGwire had "muscled" a ball out the other way, etc, or go on about pretty Pujols' swing was. I wasn't having that then, and I'm not now. Aestheitcally to me, there's still nothing like a regular human being looking guy who's able to generate his power and bat speed through the hips, wrists, etc, as opposed to "muscling" balls. It just looks so much better.

I'd also rate Clark and Griffey's swings one and two visually... giving Clark the slight edge because he had the bigger more dramatic upper cut and a classic follow through (though Griffey's was $$ too). I think Griffey wins out of effeciency though. I was heartbroken when Clark left, but was happy to see him continue to have success in the AL... then call it a day after that awesome late season run with the Cards. One guy who probably wasn't happy was Rafeal Palmeiro though. Clark seemed to just follow and outshine him everywhere... first at MSU, then he took his job in Texas and again in Baltimore. Great Clark quote when someone asked him how he felt about his old college teammate testing positive for PEDs- "ya got caught partner!". Something makes me think Will didn't think highly of Raffy.

Others from our era with swings that stood out to me- Shawn Green, David Justice, even Michael Tucker had a great stroke. Currently, I really like Braun's (we've talked about that) and Posey's, both from the right side.

itjclarke · #10 06-27-2014, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

I always loved Will Clark...

Clark had one of the sweetest swings I've ever seen, too. That front leg of his would just kick out perfectly straight. Then his hips would start to rotate, and then he'd get that full extension of his arms, and the bat head would just whip through the strike zone. So fluid. It's as if God made him to play baseball....

Btw- if you ever want to make friends with a dude in the Bay Area, probably anywhere between the ages of 30-40, talk like this is a great start. Everyone kid I knew idolized Will when we were in little league... and my buddies still light up when his name comes up. He's our Mickey, or Duke, or George Brett. He'll never get a sniff at the hall of fame, but it doesn't diminish him at all, nor does it those memories.

BengoughingForAwhile · #11 06-25-2014, 06:17 PM

Wow, only the second pitcher in major league history to no hit the same team twice. Addie Joss did it back in 1908 and 1910 against the White Sox. Thought there would have been more. Great job Timmy!

barrysloate · #12 06-25-2014, 07:07 PM

I love Lincecum and am thrilled to see him pitch a second no-no. He's certainly not the pitcher he once was but is still occasionally brilliant. He's never been the same since he stopped smoking pot.

clydepepper · #13 06-25-2014, 07:10 PM

None of us are, Barry, none of us are.

barrysloate · #14 06-25-2014, 07:11 PM

I stopped too.

irishdenny · #15 06-25-2014, 10:43 PM

Nothing against 2 times Timmy... I think he's Very good for the game & I Simply Love the Padres (~ I lived in San Diego for 17 years & Petco is the Best Stadium I've ever been iN... I Love that Place!)

However, the Pod's are on a Pace to break the 68 Met's 213 Low Batting Average...

Nuf Sed... "Lets Go Mets"

clydepepper · #16 06-25-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

Don't really see this as an opportunity for debate.. But ok. I'll happily take Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry's SF era years alone, over many other franchises complete histories.

Add Mathewson, Ott, Terry, Hubbell... And prior to turn of century Rusie, McGinnity, Keefe, Welch, McGraw, O'Rourke, Ewing (on my phone at airport or would find some more legit ones).. On and on. You don't even need to gimme T Jackson, Bancroft, Kelly, etc.

Not that I don't have a solid argument, but, in honor of two of my favorite players, Will Clark & Tim Hudson, I will allow the more hardcore Yankees fans to answer.

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