BST consolidation issues, question?

JollyElm · #1 07-15-2013, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Ya'll
It has come to my attention, more than once, about folks having too many open threads in each of the BST forums. IS there a problem having a rule of only 2 open threads on the front page at once? I generally don't like rules but this might help everyone.

So, if you put up a T206 green Cobb. Then in 3 days you want to sell a red one, you can just add to that thread and change the title. It's not difficult to do and it might be best for keeping everything tidy. I continually get emails and PMs about this issue. I can consolidate them myself but don't want to upset anyone and would rather have members do it on their own. Thoughts??

Whether someone thinks the rules should be changed or not, I think a limit of 2 is way too low. If someone is posting so many threads that it becomes ridiculous, then maybe a PM saying "Lighten up on the posts" is in order, but as someone who is very active in the 50's-80's B/S/T, it is beyond easy navigating around without ever getting bogged down. If things get changed, then the interest and activity in that section is going to wither away. I don't like it.

Maybe things are different in the T206, but I'm never there.

freakhappy · #2 07-15-2013, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyElm

Whether someone thinks the rules should be changed or not, I think a limit of 2 is way too low. If someone is posting so many threads that it becomes ridiculous, then maybe a PM saying "Lighten up on the posts" is in order, but as someone who is very active in the 50's-80's B/S/T, it is beyond easy navigating around without ever getting bogged down. If things get changed, then the interest and activity in that section is going to wither away. I don't like it.

Maybe things are different in the T206, but I'm never there.

I agree completely. I can see if someone is posting ten or twenty different listings individually, but that is usually not the case. I check the BST almost every day and I'm not sure I've ever had to scroll to page two to see new listings, but if I did, who cares? People are selling items and honestly I would love to have a lot of items to choose from. I agree that not condensing items that should be condensed could be an issue, but is this really happening that frequently that it's a problem? I've been here for over two years and I'm just not seeing much of an issue although the one David displayed is one.

How long does it take to look through listing headings...a minute or two? Come on guys...

T206Collector · #3 07-16-2013, 08:09 AM

Don't blame your fading position on the B/S/T for why your item isn't selling. Check your asking price and the market interest in your item.

Leon · #4 07-16-2013, 08:53 AM

Guys, ya'll should know how I feel about change on the board. I don't really like it unless it's an overwhelming situation. I already said I am neutral on this. I did vote and voted no, because that is how I generally feel about change. I think consistency is good. So far, I don't think there will be a change for a 60/40 split. If the percentage gets more skewed I am still open and still open anyway. That being said maybe this thread helped folks understand to consolidate when possible. Even if there is no change, if someone goes crazy and posts 10 in a row, as posted above, I assure everyone a simple PM to me will get those types of threads consolidated in about 2 minutes or less. That being said things can change. The individual T206 BST forum was a change that was well received by almost everyone and continues to flourish.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 07-16-2013, 09:13 AM

Leon,

I respect your opinion, but the topic of this discussion is the very reason that we limited the Live Auction section of the B/S/T to no more than 2-3 open posts at a time...and that's worked great IMO. So, why should other sections of the B/S/T be any different?

Leon · #6 07-16-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Leon,

I respect your opinion, but the topic of this discussion is the very reason that we limited the Live Auction section of the B/S/T to no more than 2-3 open posts at a time...and that's worked great IMO. So, why should other sections of the B/S/T be any different?

Auctions are more time sensitive than the other sections. Therefore it's even more important in that section, imo, than the others. Let's see how this shakes out.....

shammus · #7 07-16-2013, 01:35 PM

Its not really about the physical act of scrolling to the bottom of the page or clicking to go to page two. I think that everyone deserves a chance to have their thread be "above the fold" on the first page so that their posts are easily seen upon page load.

I voted "yes" so that i can have some degree of control over the situation. Really, Id be mostly wanting to prevent something a little more unusual, like what David showed us, from happening. So if someone posts 8 in a row or whatever, I can consolidate them. I don't know if we really need a formal rule, but I'd say anything over say, three or four posts at a time is getting kind of lofty.

jhs5120 · #8 07-16-2013, 09:23 AM

The BST here is definitely too congested.

AndyG09 · #9 07-16-2013, 09:30 AM

A bit off topic in regards to the number of threads, but sellers bumping their threads just to announce their item has sold is senseless. The edit feature is really helpful!

Best,

Andy

Leon · #10 07-16-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

The BST here is definitely too congested.

Only 2 of 11 sections currently have less than a week of threads on the first page. I don't feel that is too congested. Some members will disagree.

tschock · #11 07-16-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Don't blame your fading position on the B/S/T for why your item isn't selling. Check your asking price and the market interest in your item.

+1

I think those SELLING need to look at it from the BUYER'S perspective. As (mostly) a buyer, I check out a couple of the different BSTs every day or 2. It doesn't take me long to scroll through the "new" listings (very rarely even going to the next page). At this point I have 3 options if I decide to click the link for more info on an item that's listed to see if it's something I might be interested in buying: I want it, I don't want it, I'm not sure.

A ) If the price is for me a "buy it now", then I respond (PM or email) and get it. Case closed.
B ) If the price is too high, then YOUR position higher up could be construed as impeding MY finding something I might be interested in. At this point I don't care if I ever see it again, UNLESS the price is dropped/bumped. Maybe we need a rule to bump ONLY when there's a price change and not to jockey for position? (Just kidding, partly)
C ) If it's "iffy", then I might put a watch on the thread. At that point, bumping does nothing for me since I'm already "watching" the thread.

I think if we broke the survey down (and based already on the number of comments), we'd find the bulk of those wanting the change are mostly "sellers". And I think the bulk of the "buyers" would either not want the change or be indifferent to it.

vintagetoppsguy · #12 07-16-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tschock

+1

I think those SELLING need to look at it from the BUYER'S perspective. As (mostly) a buyer, I check out a couple of the different BSTs every day or 2. It doesn't take me long to scroll through the "new" listings (very rarely even going to the next page). At this point I have 3 options if I decide to click the link for more info on an item that's listed to see if it's something I might be interested in buying: I want it, I don't want it, I'm not sure.

A ) If the price is for me a "buy it now", then I respond (PM or email) and get it. Case closed.
B ) If the price is too high, then YOUR position higher up could be construed as impeding MY finding something I might be interested in. At this point I don't care if I ever see it again, UNLESS the price is dropped/bumped. Maybe we need a rule to bump ONLY when there's a price change and not to jockey for position? (Just kidding, partly)
C ) If it's "iffy", then I might put a watch on the thread. At that point, bumping does nothing for me since I'm already "watching" the thread.

I think if we broke the survey down (and based already on the number of comments), we'd find the bulk of those wanting the change are mostly "sellers". And I think the bulk of the "buyers" would either not want the change or be indifferent to it.

If you look at the screen shot I posted (page 3, post 22), the member that started the 10 threads back to back was a BUYER (not a seller), so you're comments are really way off base. Besides, this is not a buyer/seller issue. It's a matter of simple common courtesy. People either have it or they don't.

Other forums have the same type rules about multiple threads. Here is the one from CU. I believe we need the same.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=738361

Leon · #13 07-16-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If you look at the screen shot I posted (page 3, post 22), the member that started the 10 threads back to back was a BUYER (not a seller), so you're comments are really way off base. Besides, this is not a buyer/seller issue. It's a matter of simple common courtesy. People either have it or they don't.

Other forums have the same type rules about multiple threads. Here is the one from CU. I believe we need the same.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=738361

The PSA forums are good forums but are different than ours. I think they are a bit too heavy handed. Not a lot, but a bit. I prefer for our members to act responsibly themselves. I get PMs often concerning board issues. I want to know if someone is acting irresponsibly on our board. I would rather handle it that way (as a one-off) than have too many general rules. Also, in our poll here it doesn't seem too overwhelming to me.

vintagetoppsguy · #14 07-16-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

The PSA forums are good forums but are different than ours. I think they are a bit too heavy handed. Not a lot, but a bit. I prefer for our members to act responsibly themselves. I get PMs often concerning board issues. I want to know if someone is acting irresponsibly on our board. I would rather handle it that way (as a one-off) than have too many general rules. Also, in our poll here it doesn't seem too overwhelming to me.

I can appreciate that. Even if there are no rule changes, perhaps this discussion made those that are guilty aware of the situation and it won't be a problem in the future.

tschock · #15 07-16-2013, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If you look at the screen shot I posted (page 3, post 22), the member that started the 10 threads back to back was a BUYER (not a seller), so you're comments are really way off base. Besides, this is not a buyer/seller issue. It's a matter of simple common courtesy. People either have it or they don't.

Other forums have the same type rules about multiple threads. Here is the one from CU. I believe we need the same.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=738361

I saw that screen shot and went back and looked at all the pages SINCE that time on that BST and what I found is that this was the ONLY instance of more than 2 back-to-back threads. So 1 a month isn't that bad where we need a "rule" for it (IMHO). Granted, threads could have been updated between initial posting and the latest update, so it might not be 100% accurate when the thread was initially POSTED, but that only means that someone must have had interest or it was bumped by the OP.

Because it was a buyer and not a seller, it doesn't make my comments way off base. From what I've read in all the posts to date, it seems like most COMPLAINTS are from sellers, not buyers. Or at least in looking at the thread history of a number of those with this view, it seems they post more threads to sell than to buy/trade. But it WAS just a quick sampling.

The point wasn't about who posted or WHY, but it was an attempt to address the seller concerns about "bumping them down the list" and asking for a rule. I was simply trying to point out how I peruse the listings and why, as a buyer, this isn't a big deal to me.

I TOTALLY AGREE it's a common courtesy issue. And that people have it or they don't. But if you make it a rule, then it's not common "courtesy" anymore, is it? And why mask the character of those that abuse this privilege anyway?

View Poll Results: Should there be a limit on open threads in BST forums?
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