what a joke

[thehoodedcoder]

What constitutes being a good guy? Being fair in a deal, treating people with respect?

Maybe they are different people in person?

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.

Kevin

[Cardboard Junkie]

This ought to clear things up......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

What constitutes being a good guy? Being fair in a deal, treating people with respect?

Maybe they are different people in person?

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.

Kevin

Kevin, I don't think I've ever met you in person or talked with you on the phone. Perhaps you are the exact image of your internet persona. If so, there aren't many people like you, but I applaud you for successfully pulling that off.

Despite what Kevin and Dan might say, they are not the same in person as they are on the internet. Hopefully I'm not either.

[Runscott]

Kevin, my apologies - I think we did actually meet briefly at the National.

[thehoodedcoder]

Yes. I am the same in person. Sometimes the no filter gets me in trouble but not saying something at all when you feel that saying something is the right thing to do is regretful. I don't really take much personally, so i think its better to say it, hash it out and move on rather than let it linger. I also don't like to dwell on things that are dead.

I try not to live my life that way.

We did yes. Sorry for having to run so fast. I wish I could have stayed and chatted a little longer but I only stopped in to buy something real quick. I had people waiting on me.


kevin

[vintagetoppsguy]

Putting all of the blame on PWCC is absurd (although I believe they do share in some of the responsibility). This card has passed from many hands and nobody caught it until now.

1.) The owner that submitted the card to PSA should have known what he was submitting and requested PSA to list it as a brown OM on the flip.

2.) The "experts" at PSA should have caught it as well, even if the submitter didn't.

3.) The consigner (and the consigner and submitter may or may not be one in the same) should have known what he had.

4.) PWCC should have caught it and listed it properly (does eBay still have featured listings?).

5.) All of the eyes that looked at it during the auction duration missed the fact that it was a brown OM.

My point is that this card was viewed by many, many people, some in person, some on-line, and all but 1 missed it. The buyer got a steal and congrats to him!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.Kevin

Kevin, since you ask this goes back to Dan having an SGC 84 Ryan on eBay awhile back that Kevin wanted. Kevin sent what he said was "granted a low ball offer" then Dan in very direct terms told him to pound sand.

Then Kevin started a thread below claiming that Dan was selling trimmed cards and proceeded to rag the very card he tried to buy. The thread then backfired on Kevin as lots of folks said the card didn't look trimmed to them. After the thread went south Kevin asked to have the whole thing deleted here it is.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=Kevin

Since I was one of the folks who was on Dan's side on this card and supported Dan. Kevin now has beef with me also. From PM's, demands to call him, snide shots, announcments to me via PM that he is "one of the top 5 T206 collectors around" etc. how dare I question him....the usual stuff.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=163953&page=2

More classic Kevin Mize...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=162343&page=3

That's about the sum of the drama.

[thehoodedcoder]

i wasn't actually serious and its to late to read the threads in full but it is mildly funny if that is the case because the same thing sort of happened when i made an offer on a psa 7 brown cubs on shirt card and he thought it was low and i said his price was high. i put it to an anonymous vote where nobody knew any of the circumstances behind it and then the shit hit the fan.

can't say i know either well enough to confirm or deny anything between them and id like to think kevin and i are past that disagreement

still sort of funny.

kevin

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i wasn't actually serious and its to late to read the threads in full but it is mildly funny if that is the case because the same thing sort of happened when i made an offer on a psa 7 brown cubs on shirt card and he thought it was low and i said his price was high. i put it to an anonymous vote where nobody knew any of the circumstances behind it and then the shit hit the fan.

can't say i know either well enough to confirm or deny anything between them and id like to think kevin and i are past that disagreement

still sort of funny.

kevin

No worries, I only posted cause you asked...just showing there are 2 sides on this one.