Joseph M Pankiewicz, you are a disgrace to this hobby!

[Bocabirdman]

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[pepis]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Actually, this thread shoud be retitled "Weather" as everyone bitches about it but nobody does anything about it. It's kinda like bitchin' about JC Martin runnin' out of the base line in the 1969 World Series.

You're absolutely right Mike!
nobody does anything about it, BUT that's because nothing can be done about
it, this Joe can't be acting alone and if the grading companies are working with
him, well they just have to much money and power behind them and the average joe can only talk about it in a forum like this and provide some interesting entertainment for awhile til next time.

[Bocabirdman]

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[ElCabron]

The guy did respond, so for the sake of fairness, I would think new posts on the original subject of this thread should be posted in that thread. Just my opinion.

-Ryan

[Stonepony]

My thought
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hWJX9yU...%3DhWJX9yUKJeQ

[flaggots]

First thread i read on this forum, i learned more from this then 10 years on CU. thanks.

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by flaggots

First thread i read on this forum, i learned more from this then 10 years on CU. thanks.

You have not seen a fraction of the things you can learn here.
Welcome aboard!

[Exhibitman]

Peter, Peter, cardboard dealer
Had a card that was a beater
Cracked it out and did resend
Now he's spinning; nuf ced!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Peter, Peter, cardboard dealer
Had a card that was a beater
Cracked it out and did resend
Now he's spinning; nuf ced!

Lol!

I re-wrote the second half...

Peter, Peter, cardboard dealer
Had a card that was a beater
Cracked it out, doctored it up
Paid $50 and got a bump.

[john.clowes]

Second stanza???

Consigned an auction,
Then bid it up.
Made way more money
And just can't stop.

[Rich Klein]

You know the topic is a big hit, when you outscore the monthly pick-up thread.

[john.clowes]

And when contributors turn to poetry to express themselves.

[travrosty]

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

[john.clowes]

Oh my, that's a great question. We could apply that to the state of MLB and its PED issue and the answer would probably be the same - fame, admiration, envy, jealousy. Possibly money. All of those things, probably driven by testosterone. I have very limited involvement with the registry, and about 5 years ago had a #1 Pirates team Set. For a short period of time, yes I felt a little pride in that accomplishment even in that very narrow niche. Very quickly, my set was overtaken by one of the very "notable" collectors with a lot more available resources. Overnight, it seemed, that a few of the big collectors had invaded the team set category, leveraging their master sets and re-using those cards in the team set category. After realizing what was happening, my desire to go after higher grade cards dropped to near-zero and I am now very content to chase down low to mid-grade vintage Pirates. No more registry competition for me. If I could ever offer any advice to PSA in regard to the registry, it would be to take away the ability to "double-use" a card in two categories on the registry. It would create more opportunities for the small-time collector to have a place and some recognition on it.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by travrosty

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

The whole thing is asinine to begin with. I mean how shallow does one's ego have to be to pursue registry rank in the first place, let alone to condone the garbage we see perpetrated in the name of "registry."

[travrosty]

This is why I guess. to get an award. This guy got one honestly. There is no reason to believe otherwise. but there might be people who want to meet joe o and get the award by other means. Nothing against this collector, probably a highlight of his year. to each his own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGm1AfZYKOM

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The whole thing is asinine to begin with. I mean how shallow does one's ego have to be to pursue registry rank in the first place, let alone to condone the garbage we see perpetrated in the name of "registry."

Very well said, Adam. I couldn't agree more.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

The numbers are all that matter.

[ALR-bishop]

I do not collect graded cards and am not a fan of grading in general. I do happen to know the person who was PSA's collector of the year this go around, and who does put his great sets on the Registry and regularly shares his cards, many of which are true hobby rarities, on this and other boards. He is not shallow and is actually quite humble about his amazing collection. And he is one of the most honest guys I know

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by travrosty

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

Never underestimate what lengths people will go through for social acceptance, recognition and admiration from one's peers and society.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by travrosty

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

Having a Barry Bonds flashback after reading this comment.

[botn]

Originally Posted by travrosty

but if you knowingly alter a card to top the registry, what kind of a feeling or reward is that, if you knew you cheated to get there?

Either I am not understanding what you wrote or you have misunderstood this thread. The person who is being accused of altering the baseball cards, Joe P, is a dealer, not a collector, and is not doing it to advance any sets in the registry. The alterations are done to enhance the value of the cards so they can be sold for a profit.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by botn

Either I am not understanding what you wrote or you have misunderstood this thread. The person who is being accused of altering the baseball cards, Joe P, is a dealer, not a collector, and is not doing it to advance any sets in the registry. The alterations are done to enhance the value of the cards so they can be sold for a profit.

Are there any registry collectors at the top who believe all of their cards are unaltered?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Are there any registry collectors at the top who believe all of their cards are unaltered?

I doubt it and I hope not.

[botn]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Are there any registry collectors at the top who believe all of their cards are unaltered?

I do not have contact with any of the guys at the top so I cannot speak for them. It is my sense since the grading companies rarely buy cards back that this feeds their false sense of confidence or plays right into what they want to believe. This is not a knock against the top registry collectors just great marketing on behalf of the slabbers.

In all my years in the hobby, despite seeing too high of a percentage of altered cards in holders, I have never had any of the grading companies agree and buy a single card back from me or anyone who has presented them with cards on my behalf. It would seem they are never wrong. So I have stopped sending cards in on review. The guarantees they offer are pretty useless.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Are there any registry collectors at the top who believe all of their cards are unaltered?

Can't you say this for anyone's collection, however? I mean even for the raw collections of the long time collectors and experts on this board, can they say with 100% confidence that all of the card in their collection that they believe are unaltered are that way? I think that's tough unless you have a very small collection or just have the original cards that you purchased right out of the pack.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by botn

Either I am not understanding what you wrote or you have misunderstood this thread. The person who is being accused of altering the baseball cards, Joe P, is a dealer, not a collector, and is not doing it to advance any sets in the registry. The alterations are done to enhance the value of the cards so they can be sold for a profit.

i was responding to another poster who said the temptation is there for people who want to slip by some altered cards past the grading companies in order to get to the top of the registry, which is not the original topic of this thread but a theory put forth by someone that i wanted to respond to.