The Response

Peter_Spaeth · #1 08-28-2013, 06:58 PM

Cards of course do get bumped even two grades with nothing done to them. I have seen it happen. So the question is really are there identifiable changes between the two iterations of the card.

botn · #2 08-28-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Cards of course do get bumped even two grades with nothing done to them. I have seen it happen. So the question is really are there identifiable changes between the two iterations of the card.

The graders do not get it right every time. Seeing bumps, as well as reductions, in grades can happen without doing anything to a card however there were changes to the appearance of the two lower graded 1934 Goudey Gehrigs which would suggest these cards were simply not broken out and resubmitted.

thehoodedcoder · #3 08-28-2013, 07:09 PM

dont pollute this thread with opinions please.

put those comments on the other thread. lets discuss facts here, since this is the one with the response in it.

kevin

barrysloate · #4 08-28-2013, 07:10 PM

Pollute? We're having a discussion.

thehoodedcoder · #5 08-28-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Pollute? We're having a discussion.

its the same discussion that the other thread is having. over and over and over again.

its all been said 10 times.

kevin

Peter_Spaeth · #6 08-28-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

its the same discussion that the other thread is having. over and over and over again.

its all been said 10 times.

kevin

As if that was ever an obstacle on this forum.

Leon · #7 08-28-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

its all been said 10 times.

kevin

...we'll go for 20

#8 08-28-2013, 07:14 PM

I think it would be extremely helpful if Joe would comment on the specific cards in question rather than just speaking in generalities about his practices. I feel like his response somewhat skirts the issue rather than directly addressing it.

25801wv · #9 08-28-2013, 07:29 PM

I wish I had the eye to see the undergraded cards & the guts to bust them out and submit them. I have never done so, but I don't think it is altering if you erase a mark from a card with an eraser. I think this guy is just using his experience in being a professional grader to purchase cards. If I had his experience I would do the same. As far as bidding on his own items, I don't know if he has done so & haven't seen any proof of it.

Just my two cents.

#10 08-28-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 25801wv

I wish I had the eye to see the undergraded cards & the guts to bust them out and submit them. I have never done so, but I don't think it is altering if you erase a mark from a card with an eraser. I think this guy is just using his experience in being a professional grader to purchase cards. If I had his experience I would do the same. As far as bidding on his own items, I don't know if he has done so & haven't seen any proof of it.

Just my two cents.

I think there's some pretty solid evidence he shilled Probstein's auctions of his own items...it's all in the bid history.

Dan Hicks

vintagetoppsguy · #11 08-28-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Maybe you shoud lay out, with hard imperical evidence in a very logical fashion, why you believe he schilled his own auction.

He's shilled many of his auctions. Here is just one example. On June 10, 2013, eBay member gpark73, which is Joe Pankiewicz, purchased the 1954 Topps Hockey #32 Camille Henry PSA 7 card shown below in the first pic. It was eBay item #370827911540 and here is a link to the original auction�

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Topps-H...p2047675.l2557

The second screen shot is of the bid history, showing him as the winning bidder.

The card was re-submitted to PSA and this time came back as a PSA 8.5 as shown in the third pic below. Then, it was consigned to Probstein123, eBay item #370876222931 and here is a link to that auction�

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Topps-3...p2047675.l2557

During the auction, Joe placed three shill bids as can be seen in the bidding history, last screen shot below.

Since then, Joe has changed his eBay username from gpark73 to cgseller89, but the bid history, feedback, etc also changes with it making it easy to track. He can run, but he can�t hide. Therefore, I just proved him a shill bidder and in my opinion he is a disgrace to the hobby.

Joe, attorneys can be expensive. If your attorney has anything to say to me, just PM me and I�ll give you my contact information saving your attorney some time and you some money.

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