Hauls of Shame - Who is Peter Nash?

Rich Klein · #1 08-31-2013, 03:47 AM

But love certain songs from the 60's
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvMBxlu62c0

wonkaticket · #2 08-31-2013, 04:33 AM

Unreal Robert, I heard rough details but that's crazy. Hopefully when folks stop talking music they will take notice of what you have shared here. It's really quite the insight into Mr. Nash.

Thanks again for sharing.

Cheers,

John

Sunny · #3 09-02-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Unreal Robert, I heard rough details but that's crazy. Hopefully when folks stop talking music they will take notice of what you have shared here. It's really quite the insight into Mr. Nash.

Thanks again for sharing.

Cheers,

John

John, I would like to share more insight about Peter Nash but in reality I would have to write a book to tell you everything. I guess a good name for the book would be "Peter Nash the Bernie Madoff of Baseball Memorabilia". I first met Peter Nash in the summer of 1995 at his “American Baseball Archives and Wax Museum” in Cooperstown, NY. I was visiting my best friend that owns a house in Cooperstown and this friend was dating Peter Nash's sister in law, Rochelle. My friend became close friends with Mr. Nash and so did I. I was friends with Peter Nash for 13 years and we were very close friends for about 10 of those years until Mr. Nash threaten to have my legs broken because I wouldn't sell the 1912 Red Sox World Series Trophy to him. It was like he turned into the devil! It was unbelievable! The sound of his voice was pure evil! From that day on our friendship was over! We were such good friends, I trusted him with the keys of my house and whenever he was in the area he would sleep over. When my wife, Lisa and I put the 1912 Red Sox World Series Trophy up for sale Nash interfered with the sale and he did this knowing that my wife had breast cancer. And to make matters worst I found out that Nash had a fraudulent sale agreement that he had signed saying he had purchased the 1912 Red Sox World Series Trophy. We also found out that Nash had stolen 6 items from us when my wife, Lisa and I purchased the 1912 WS Trophy. Those items stolen were 5 original 1912 world series photos and a 1912 World Series gold diamond stickpin. The Judge Order Nash to return the stolen items to us. The 5 photos have been returned to us by Nash's previous attorney but the 1912 gold diamond stickpin has not been returned. I guess criminal charges will have to be filed! I'm tired and going to bed I'll post more when I get a chance.

wonkaticket · #4 09-02-2013, 04:46 AM

Wow, I don't know what to say Robert other than I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through that. It must have been a nightmare. Shame that something that should be fun turned so vile.

I do really thank you for posting this I think its good for folks to hear about what kind of guy Peter has been or still is. For his fans I wonder why the silence from Peter? If somebody was on here telling folks I was trying to break folks legs and stealing stuff and it wasn't true I would be clearing the air ASAP. However just crickets from the Nash camp...why is that I wonder?

Cheers,

John

the 'stache · #5 09-02-2013, 06:43 AM

Good God. I guess I have lived a very sheltered life, that I've been lucky enough to never encounter somebody like this guy.

Robert, I hope you get your stickpin back, and right quick. As for Nash....well, I am a serious believer in karma. It sounds like he has a lot of it coming his way. And I hope it plays out in the public where we all can enjoy it.

Sunny · #6 09-05-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Wow, I don't know what to say Robert other than I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through that. It must have been a nightmare. Shame that something that should be fun turned so vile.

I do really thank you for posting this I think its good for folks to hear about what kind of guy Peter has been or still is. For his fans I wonder why the silence from Peter? If somebody was on here telling folks I was trying to break folks legs and stealing stuff and it wasn't true I would be clearing the air ASAP. However just crickets from the Nash camp...why is that I wonder?

Cheers,

John

Hi John,

In regards to the 1912 World Series gold diamond stickpin there�s a lot more to the story. Not only did Peter Nash steal the rare stickpin and five 1912 World Series photos from me, Nash used these items, amongst other memorabilia, including an 1868 Albumen Photo of the Brooklyn Atlantics that Peter Nash also stole from me as collateral to borrow approximately $52,000 from Al Angelo. Nash used this money to pay back the $52,000 his father took from Bishop Ford Catholic high School�s building fund. Peter Nash�s father took the money to stop Peter Nash�s house from being foreclosed on in upstate NY. Peter Nash has not repaid Al Angelo�s money. See link below, article from NY daily news:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hi...ticle-1.165416

Although the five 1912 World Series photos have been returned to me by Al Angelo�s and Peter Nash�s former attorney Wolfgang Heimerl the rare 1912 gold diamond World Series stickpin and the rare 1868 Albumen Photo of the Brooklyn Atlantics have not been return. Al Angelo has been uncooperative in my collection efforts in returning the 2 remaining stolen items and Peter Nash has been silent. Peter Nash can write volumes about other people�s memorabilia on his Hauls of Shame website but he doesn�t do anything about returning stolen property that was stolen by him. Below is a photo of the rare 1912 World Series gold diamond stickpin that Peter Nash stole.

wonkaticket · #7 09-06-2013, 01:29 AM

Robert, it�s just gets weirder and weirder the more I hear about Peter. How deep is this guy�s hole and where does it stop. Meanwhile the board is a blaze with folks selling 70�s wrappers & gum but for the most part crickets on this. Not a shot at anyone but I just hope members are really digesting what you are sharing here.

I also hope that perhaps some of Peter�s big fans at least take a moment to scratch their collective heads on their champion.

As always thank you for sharing I know I�m not alone in the fact that you have taken time to share these stories with us all, as I�m sure it�s no fun reliving the nightmare that has and continues to be your relationship with Pete.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Sorry to rub it in but that pin is amazing ughh so sorry it's been taken from you.

Sunny · #8 09-06-2013, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Robert, it�s just gets weirder and weirder the more I hear about Peter. How deep is this guy�s hole and where does it stop. Meanwhile the board is a blaze with folks selling 70�s wrappers & gum but for the most part crickets on this. Not a shot at anyone but I just hope members are really digesting what you are sharing here.

I also hope that perhaps some of Peter�s big fans at least take a moment to scratch their collective heads on their champion.

As always thank you for sharing I know I�m not alone in the fact that you have taken time to share these stories with us all, as I�m sure it�s no fun reliving the nightmare that has and continues to be your relationship with Pete.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Sorry to rub it in but that pin is amazing ughh so sorry it's been taken from you.

Hi John,

The 1912 World Series stickpin that Peter Nash stole from me is rare and very valuable. These stickpins were given to the players that won the World Series from as early as 1909 to as late as 1919. Hall of Famer Edd Roush has his 1919 World Series gold diamond stickpin on display at the Cincinnati Reds Museum. Many of the players converted the head of the stickpin into a ring or brooch. Here is what Edd Roush�s wife had to say about her husband�s World Series stickpin.

�Essie remembered the 1919 diamond stickpin they had given the players. Some of the wives had converted the head of the stickpin to a ring, or a bangle on their charm bracelet. Essie thought it would be ostentatious to wear it, so it lay all alone in the safety deposit box at the bank. It was hidden away, like the memory of that "Black Sox" World Series, a symbol of embarrassment.� Below is a photo of Edd Roush�s 1919 World Series diamond stickpin.

travrosty · #9 09-06-2013, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Wow, I don't know what to say Robert other than I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through that. It must have been a nightmare. Shame that something that should be fun turned so vile.

I do really thank you for posting this I think its good for folks to hear about what kind of guy Peter has been or still is. For his fans I wonder why the silence from Peter? If somebody was on here telling folks I was trying to break folks legs and stealing stuff and it wasn't true I would be clearing the air ASAP. However just crickets from the Nash camp...why is that I wonder?

Cheers,

John

Are you on record saying the same type of thing about mike guttierez and the hof? Just curious if you are consistent.

Runscott · #10 09-06-2013, 12:32 PM

Another absurd deflection.

I wonder if you would accept the same sort of response out of your child if he/she got caught stealing?

Apparently for Travis, if one person does something criminal, that gives everyone else the right. Thanks, Travis, for inventing 'social misbehavior inflation.'

wonkaticket · #11 09-06-2013, 01:27 PM

This new post just shows you how desperate and sad Pete is. Now even Barry and I have made the Hauls of Shame or as I like to call it smoke screen central. I also love that my pic of Barry as James Bond is what Nash is using to out the evil person that Barry is.

This week its beat up on dead Bruce. Bring up Rob Lifson once again yawn. Slam Robert Fraiser the guy I stole from.

Pete I want to help you here on this because I too worry about all of your past actions catching up with you. I agree this whole posing as a hobby crusader behind a website in cyberspace is your best option.

I mean who would want to come clean pay their bills, return stolen items, point out fraudulent items one had firsthand knowledge of and be a man. Then one could start in on other fraudsters as a retired come clean hobby knight who has made good on his mistakes. Yeah that�s for the birds brother I�m with you website and smoke screens way better.

My only concern is I�m going to continue to ask questions about why folks listen to you so are others. So when you get to folks like me who don�t have any criminal records or shady dirt in their past to draw attention away from their questions directed towards you what will you do?

So I thought at least for me I�d give you some ammo to help you out.

Issues that I don�t have so these are out sorry.

� No convictions or run in with the law, ok that speeding ticket in 1998 55 in a 45 what the heck was I thinking!
� Can cross state lines no outstanding arrest warrants.
� No garnish of wages from me or my corporations due to lost civil cases and damages.
� No history or rumors of me selling or trading in stolen or fake merchandise.
� No family history of my dad stealing for me so he could pay my bills.
� No drug dealing convictions from my youth.
� No issues or items from the NYPL in my hands or thru my hands.

Issues I do or did have.

� Told a few off color jokes in my day.
� About 20lbs over weight working on it but hey open game for now.
� One time I left my grocery store and realized I had placed a head of cabbage in my bag without scanning it at self-check out with the other $148.34 worth of food. Haunts me to this day.
� I have looked at internet porn, I enjoyed some of it. (If you need a list of the stuff I liked vs. that I didn�t I can provide a list if needed.)
� I have used the term midget before.

So based off of this the next post on your website should be something like this.

�Not surprisingly, he has been embraced by fellow ex-felons like ex-drug dealer Leon Luckey and other Rob Lifson fan-boys like John McDaniel III a cabbage stealing internet porn addicted over weight midget hating off color joke telling collector and Brooklyn dealer Barry Sloate.

Pete I hope this helps you out and keep up the good fight.

Cheers,

John

slidekellyslide · #12 09-06-2013, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

Are you on record saying the same type of thing about mike guttierez and the hof? Just curious if you are consistent.

We know YOU are not consistent....you haven't said a single negative word about Peter Nash...instead you share info with him and proudly post links to his website. Just another case of your appalling hypocrisy.

slidekellyslide · #13 08-31-2013, 06:16 AM

Let's stop talking about music in this thread and keep it on track please.

frankbmd · #14 08-31-2013, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Let's stop talking about music in this thread and keep it on track please.

To explain further this means that Dan wants

more Blood, Sweat & Tears

instead of

more Blood, Sweat & Tears,

I think.

Disclaimer: Wrong era and genre, but so I am.

Rich Klein · #15 08-31-2013, 07:36 AM

but because the music background is how Peter did make his money, discussion about his music (and other music) is fine in this thread. There is fascinating reading about Peter but unless he comes and says something (doubtful) we're gong to talk about his songs. No real harm, no real foul

Couple more links to songs about judges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rdF7o08KXw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GMUlCBgd0 -- I like this version as the guilt is admitted

Rich

Leon · #16 08-31-2013, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

but because the music background is how Peter did make his money, discussion about his music (and other music) is fine in this thread. There is fascinating reading about Peter but unless he comes and says something (doubtful) we're gong to talk about his songs. No real harm, no real foul

Couple more links to songs about judges

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rdF7o08KXw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GMUlCBgd0 -- I like this version as the guilt is admitted

Rich

No Rich, If a moderator says lets get back on track then we should get back on track. I do agree that Peter's music was brought into this by the OP so that is probably ok, but other music should be for another thread, (especially now since a moderator has asked to get back on subject).

benjulmag · #17 08-31-2013, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon

No Rich, If a moderator says lets get back on track then we should get back on track. I do agree that Peter's music was brought into this by the OP so that is probably ok, but other music should be for another thread, (especially now since a moderator has asked to get back on subject).

+1

slidekellyslide · #18 08-31-2013, 07:55 AM

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

benjulmag · #19 08-31-2013, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

+1

Rich Klein · #20 08-31-2013, 09:29 AM

The music discussion is important on a general level to understand some of Pete's motives.

One important characteristic of the modern "hip-hip" era is a denial of responsibility when something goes wrong. That is true of non-singers as well. Look at all of the professional athletes who come up with the great excuses when they are caught with a positive drug test

In the hip-hop and rap culture fostered in the early 1990's by groups such as 3rd Base, that same natural selection of "I'm famous, you can not touch me" began.

I don't think we can argue that Peter is a devoted baseball fan and a very dedicated researcher in baseball history and the memorabilia. There is also very little doubt that Peter, as Leon posted in a great thread in the Autograph area, even when found accountable in a court of law has never honored any of those decisions. Leon, to his credit, has and that is a major difference between these two people. I'd use men but that would be an insult to Leon to put Nash in the same league as him.

The fact is we have someone who is willing to come out and sign his name (a rule in this board) to a possibily ignitable thread. The other fact is we know what we are dealing with when it comes to Peter's background and not much can be added.

I will also note that despite my repeated comments -- the Last Names were not added. as per board rules on this thread

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=174608

I see that in a thread that calls out a dealer by name for trimming and has gone in many directions the full names are still not added to the thread. Me thinks a little moderation on certain subjects might help

And note, despite the earlier comments, the full names were not put in this thread either

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=174881&page=2

Regards
Rich

MattyC · #21 08-31-2013, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

One important characteristic of the modern "hip-hip" era is a denial of responsibility when something goes wrong.
Rich

Professor,

Thanks for imparting your deep knowledge (or is it just a sweeping generalization?) of the hip hop era. I surmise you came to this epiphany by listening to tons of KRS?

The denial of responsibility is an individual choice, not a trait of fans of a specific type of music. One could just as easily argue the denial of responsibility was alive and well in the stoner ethos of the 70's.

You also said:

"In the hip-hop and rap culture fostered in the early 1990's by groups such as 3rd Base, that same natural selection of "I'm famous, you can not touch me" began. "

Awkward phrasing aside (natural selection?), the famous began feeling untouchable long before 1990.

wonkaticket · #22 08-31-2013, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

Big +1

travrosty · #23 08-31-2013, 02:54 PM

The thread was a bust so it needed moderator intervention.

btcarfagno · #24 08-31-2013, 06:15 PM

Wait a minute. Hold up. If I spent the 90's listening to retro swing and ska from bands like Squirrel Nut Zippers and Dem Brooklyn Bums and Indigo Swing and Lee Press On And The Nails etc....

....does that make me a loser? No? Who's with me? Squirrel Nut Zippers? Anyone?

Maybe not.

Tom C

judsonhamlin · #25 08-31-2013, 07:05 PM

Loved the Squirrel Nut Zippers and the ska revival - reel big fish, save ferris, etc...

To get back to the thread, I fully understand the "send a thief to catch a thief" which is a necessary evil for law enforcement agencies, but it seems Nash has gone beneath and beyond what is tolerable.

joeadcock · #26 08-31-2013, 07:36 PM

Does anyone remember the Rossington Collins Band, Sniff 'n tears, Great White? I just dont follow with these groups? Never herd of them. Must be an old man.

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