Adrian is selling his T206 MURR'Y

jcmtiger · #1 09-06-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Kevin, I'm really glad for you that you got this card. I know you've really wanted it.

As for Adrian, I realize he can't respond to our comments, but I wonder why he still reads them. It just seems like an act of masochism on his part. And if saying that makes me a "dick" in his eyes, well I can live with that.

However, I will stop discussing him now.

He loves this board and misses the contact. I bought several cards on-line when I was on vacation in Florida one time. After I got home I ended up selling all of them. Don't really know if I lost or made money, but it was not a lot either way. Hope all is well with him.

Joe

the 'stache · #2 09-07-2013, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmtiger

He loves this board and misses the contact.

He has nobody to blame but himself for not being here. He was given several chances and blew every single one of them. Between the things he said to me publicly and privately, the things he said to other members (including wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth), refusing to pay for deals he made (and not grasping why that was a bad thing), and the pathological lying and excuse making, he doesn't deserve to be here. Membership on Net54 is a privilege, and members are supposed to be able to trust one another, and treat each other respectfully. Adrian, unfortunately, is incapable demonstrating the responsibility necessary to be trusted, and he's disrespectful of others at the drop of a hat. The fact that he spends any part of his life lurking here after he's been banned speaks volumes about the kind of person he is. He's a drama queen, and an attention whore. He'd go off on a forum member in some random discussion, and say he was leaving forever. Then he's start a whole new discussion announcing his imminent departure:

Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169148

He "quit", sat there reading all the comments from people saying he should take a break, or get some help, or just chill out. Then he came back. Then another month later, he made a thread threatening that all the people that were mean to him were going to "get it":

For all those that act nasty towards me...your end is coming!!!
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170958

Followed the next day by yet another "I'm leaving" thread:

How does one delete his profile I have enough of this place?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170959

I have no sympathy for him. None. People were tolerant of his issues, and were supportive of him, including myself. We all tried to befriend him. We put up with his spamming completely inappropriate posts and threads on the main board, until Leon had to put a post limit to him. Then he started to show his true colors. It takes a hell of a lot for me to not like somebody, but he managed to make me not like him. And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up. "He really misses this place, and he's a good guy that made a few mistakes". I'm sure he misses it, because here he could be the center of attention. The forum fed his narcissism.

People need to understand that he is not a good person. He is a spiteful human being. He can turn on the charm, and appear to be the nicest person you've ever talked to. It's an act. When somebody questions what he's done, he goes into full-on attack mode. It's predictable, and frightening the amount of joy he seems to get from the assault he wages on other members here.

When he buys a bunch of cards, and ends up not paying for them, it's always the government's fault for not giving him the money he's owed for medical, or somebody owes him money for a coin he sold. Or his 19 year old dog needed emergency surgery (who puts a 19 year old dog through emergency surgery? That's not fair to the animal). Or his job owes him money. Or his grandma is sick. He never accepts responsibility for anything. He says he has learned, but then he does the exact same thing again. Forum members (Leon included) tell him it is not ok to buy cards, and not pay for them. He then says he realizes what he did was wrong, using his OCD as an excuse why he didn't before, and he will try to change. Then, he backs out of a card that he bought, costing the seller $500. The next day, he buys $100 worth of cards instead of giving that $100 to the guy he just stiffed, and working out a plan for the rest. He then justifies it by saying the seller might be losing $500 now, but they'll get $1,000 from me in the future when I buy another card. That twisted rationalization is a clear indication that he's never going to get it.

And he uses the same excuses over and over. You could come up with a list of Adrianisms, and just sit back and wait for them to be played in order. Kevin just posted this recently:

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Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i spoke to adrian on the phone during the process. he did mention he had ocd but also said he is sound in mind when it comes to everything else. the reason he mentioned for wanting to sell the card is that he realized that he wasn't sure what he wanted to collect before, when he bought the card. he now has an interest in babe ruth cards.

Same excuse he used back in May:

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Originally Posted by Zone91

When I 1st started to collect baseball cards a few months ago I was very confused at what I was going to collect....now I know what my focuses are I will have a much better time knowing what I am doing and not doing.

I want to build the 52 Topps set (since I have the Mantle this makes it that much easier) so far I have 13 cards and 4 of those are nice looking high numbers and the other 9 are also nice looking for the grade (s);

I want to collect T206 cards (HOF players mostly and error cards)

and

I want to put together the most Mantle cards I can in PSA 8.

Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up. I get nervous when I see how "he misses the forum" because the next thing we know, somebody will be trying to bring him back. And that would be tragic.

wolf441 · #3 09-07-2013, 12:36 PM

Hey Bill, a big +1.

I originally felt sorry for Adrian and his OCD condition (I have a family member with a similar problem, so I've seen how it can impact a person and his family). When I saw what he wrote about you and your medical issues, I lost all respect and any sympathy for him.

I come to this site because I love the hobby and enjoy reading the insights of all of our expert members. I also enjoy the interactions that I've had with all of the great folks that I've done deals with over the past year plus. There's no room here for a person who would wish harm or additional pain on another human being.

I'd also like to add that I believe there are at least one or two great members who have stopped posting (or greatly reduced their posts) because of all the drama when Zone91 was melting down.

the 'stache · #4 09-07-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf441

Hey Bill, a big +1.

I originally felt sorry for Adrian and his OCD condition (I have a family member with a similar problem, so I've seen how it can impact a person and his family). When I saw what he wrote about you and your medical issues, I lost all respect and any sympathy for him.

I come to this site because I love the hobby and enjoy reading the insights of all of our expert members. I also enjoy the interactions that I've had with all of the great folks that I've done deals with over the past year plus. There's no room here for a person who would wish harm or additional pain on another human being.

I'd also like to add that I believe there are at least one or two great members who have stopped posting (or greatly reduced their posts) because of all the drama when Zone91 was melting down.

Good afternoon, Steve.

I'm with you. As somebody that has been dealing with ADD my entire life (before anybody named it, diagnosed it, or even knew what the heck it was), I could empathize with what he was going through. ADD and OCD share some similar behavioral traits. I used to make my parents, and my teachers, nuts. Parent teacher conferences were always an event. It was always the same-"your son is so smart, but he's so talkative. Too much so. And when he starts a project, he starts off so strong, but then seems to lose interest. Or, he starts a project, works on it a while, then completely starts over".

I was such a perfectionist, and eventually in college, it got to the point where I would have a major project due, or a portfolio review (I was an ad art major before switching to political science and pre-law), and I'd scrap it the night before it was to be handed in, and start from scratch. That's not easy to deal with. It messed up my relationships with the girls I would date, and it really hurt my grades in school. So I understood some of the demons he was dealing with. But he took it way too far. When he started with the personal attacks, I just couldn't look past it. If he'd never made them, I'd still be sticking up for the guy.

I love this place. The knowledge that emanates from the virtual walls of Net54 alone would make this a favorite site. But it's the people here that make our little home truly special. And I don't think it's asking too much that everybody here be respectful of one another, even when they don't agree on something.

CMIZ5290 · #5 09-07-2013, 04:14 PM

Wow, this Adrian stuff is just incredible. Here's a guy who has been banned from the board, but numerous and endless threads continue about him. Unbelievable....

cyseymour · #6 09-07-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up.

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

4815162342 · #7 09-07-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

Finally! +1

ynnek4 · #8 09-07-2013, 01:25 PM

+1

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

camlov2 · #9 09-07-2013, 01:25 PM

Ouch... I have to say that I have found stache to be a positive member who is truly trying to learn about the pre-war hobby. This thread aside I have looked forward to his posts.

Cardboard Junkie · #10 09-07-2013, 01:25 PM

I have made deals with Bill, and he is a great guy. 100% true to his word, and only concerned for the welfare of the hobby of collecting baseball cards. Yes, he may have a small start on prewar cards, but I know he is serious about them and his love for the hobby is greater than many who have collections valued in the hundreds of thousands or more. Bill IS a prewar card collector and he is not a Troll, and I don't think he is trying to be a tough guy. Dave. ps No place here for bullies!

Texxxx · #11 09-07-2013, 01:55 PM

It's sad that Adrain is still here hammering wedges between current board members.

EvilKing00 · #12 09-07-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

Now you're accusing him of committing crimes that he's never committed. You can't just indict a guy for committing crimes that happen in the future. If the police knock on my door and say that they are arresting me for a murder I'm going to commit three years from now, even though they have no real evidence that I plan to commit murder, that's conjecture.

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

Pretty harsh dude - I personally like the 'stache a lot and love reading his posts. Not sure why the huge defense of some idiot banded member by you, and attacking a quality member telling him hes a troll. Really???

And now your counting his pre war cards???? come on man. Weather you have 1 or 10,000 or even none but looking to learn and begin collecting them, this is the place to be isn't it?

the 'stache · #13 09-07-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

No one asked you to be the sheriff of this town. So why don't you take the tough guy act elsewhere?

What tough guy act? If anything, you seem to be the one that is getting confrontational here. You did it last night with Eric, who is one of the nicest people on this forum.

The only thing I have done regarding Adrian here is to bring up what he did to get booted off the forum, nothing more. I fail to see how doing so makes me a "tough guy" whatsoever. I would think that telling somebody else to get lost would constitute being a "tough guy", however.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

Then why do you keep starting threads and constantly mentioning him in links and so forth?

What threads have I started about him???

Here are the topics, I have started since March (I will bold the topics having to do with pre-war):

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago)
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.)
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).
5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout au
6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auction
7. What is your most cherished piece, and why?
8. The all-time best of Net 54
9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out..
10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks)
11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war card
12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please?
13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby?
14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries?
15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit?
16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster".
17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled
18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts?
19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster?
20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350?
21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR?
22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013?
23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for?
24. Do these flips look right to you?
25. Recommendations for a magnifying glass

Seems to me that a person taking even a quick look at the list of topics I've started over the last six months would see somebody learning about pre-war cards, educating myself about looking out for fake pre-war cards, etc. The only topic I started that had anything to do with a card from the 70s was #24, where I was looking for a new graded 1975 Topps Robin Yount, whom I collect.

So no, I'm not a "troll". Talk about making an assumption, and being completely wrong.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do.

Yes, I do collect pre-war cards, and vintage, and modern cards, too. Unfortunately, I shattered my femur at the end of June, spent a month in the hospital fighting sepsis, and since coming home at the end of July, I've been doing physical therapy, and paying off my share of the $200,000 medical bill I ran up. So I haven't been buying any cards at all. I have new bills coming in daily, and before I spend money on my hobby, I am taking care of my responsibilities. So, I am sorry if my volume of pre-war card purchases do not meet your satisfaction, but I have bills to pay.

I've registered with REA so I could bid on some pre-war cards. I've been pretty open about the pre-war cards I want (T206 portrait Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth '33 Goudey, Lou Gehrig '34 Goudey, Nap Lajoie T206 with bat, Christy Matthewson T206 Dark Cap, Ty Cobb T206 bat on shoulder, T202 "Cobb Steals Third", T206 Willie Keeler portrait, I could go on...). I've been learning about pre-war cards, and if you've been paying attention to any of the posts I've made not related to Zone, you'd see that pretty much everything I've done since joining this forum has to do with my desire to build a really nice collection of players from the early days of the game. That doesn't mean I won't buy cards from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, because I will. I love Clemente, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Warren Spahn, etc, and I want to dabble in all sorts of different sets. I love the T206 set. I love the 1915 Cracker jack set. The 1953 Bowman Color set might be my favorite of all-time. I love the '58 Topps set, the '71 Topps set. I'm a big fan of the T202 set. I really like the T205 set. So, again, you are making a statement about me with zero knowledge of what I do. You've seen me making a few posts about Zone91, and made the quantum leap in logic to "well, you're a 70s card collecting internet-tough guy-troll that is trying to blacklist people". Jesus, if you knew anything about me (which clearly you do not), you'd laugh how completely ridiculous that is.

In fact, I think I ended my last post about Adrian asking forum members to let this topic go, as he was no longer a forum member, and couldn't defend himself.

And funny thing, in the last six months, I don't see a single thread I started about Zone91, though you are certain that I have. Another fabrication.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board.

Actually, if you go back and read some of my posts (the ones I make lying in bed with my casted/iced leg sticking up in the air...you know, when I'm not being a "tough guy"), you'd see a lot of the posts I make are about pre-war cards. As soon as the first few of the T206 cards I bought came in, I couldn't scan them quickly enough to get them in the virtual T206 collection thread. You'll see the three of my additions late in the discussion.

I talk about storing my baseball cards, using a lock box at the bank, or a safe at home. I talk about '33 Goudey cards. I talk with Ian about t202 cards. I try to welcome new members when I see them, or answer questions to help people out. Talking about Adrian makes up 0.005% of what I do on this forum, yet it's all you can see. Maybe you should open your eyes?

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector.

Again, you have no idea what I "am", so until you educate yourself, I'd appreciate it if you stopped making assumptions about who I am, what I like, or what I stand for. Because you are way off base.

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of.

So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye.

Now I have a vendetta? LOL. You're something else. I didn't start this topic. Before this, I've made 5 of the 147 posts in the discussion. And all I've done is remind people of what he did. When the "aw, Adrian isn't such a bad guy" meme comes out, I remind everybody of why he was booted. And I've had multiple people message me expressing their shock over just how bad he was.

Jamie, if you want to talk baseball, or about baseball cards, I would love to do so. That's why I came here. I don't have any vendetta against this guy. I have nothing against you. And again, I would appreciate it if we could just leave him in the past. There's far too many good things to talk about, and I hate wasting my time on negativity.

Bored5000 · #14 09-07-2013, 04:28 PM

This is no defense of Adrian in any way. The guy deserved to be banned, and he was. I am not trying to be rude in any way. but at what point do some of you guys move on? Never?

The guy has already been banned. Rehashing every past thread he posted in doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose, IMO.

the 'stache · #15 09-07-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Yes, he may have a small start on prewar cards, but I know he is serious about them and his love for the hobby is greater than many who have collections valued in the hundreds of thousands or more. Bill IS a prewar card collector and he is not a Troll, and I don't think he is trying to be a tough guy. Dave. ps No place here for bullies!

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Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Pretty harsh dude - I personally like the 'stache a lot and love reading his posts. Not sure why the huge defense of some idiot banded member by you, and attacking a quality member telling him hes a troll. Really???

And now your counting his pre war cards???? come on man. Weather you have 1 or 10,000 or even none but looking to learn and begin collecting them, this is the place to be isn't it?

This is why I am not buying pre-war baseball cards right now:

On the left is a picture of my left leg 15 minutes after breaking the fibula, and snapping my femur all the way through right above the knee, shattering the bone. On the right is an xray of the leg after my orthopedic surgeon finished 4.5 hours of surgery to reconstruct my leg.

I am busy paying off medical bills. Spending money on baseball cards takes a back seat to my responsibilities.

Bored5000 · #16 09-07-2013, 04:46 PM

Wow, Bill. How did you break your tibia and fibula?

I have a titanium screw in my left leg after tearing my ACL, MCL and PCL in November 2011. I have never gone through anything that hurt like that, and the therapy following the ACL reconstruction was just brutal. It blows my mind that it is almost standard now to come back from torn ACLs and play again in the NFL or the NBA.

I had no idea how a torn ACL were replaced until it happened to me. It was shocking when the orthopaedist looked at my MRI and nonchalantly said he was would drill a hole in my tibia for my new ACL.

Cardboard Junkie · #17 09-07-2013, 04:51 PM

Whew! That's a nasty looking leg! 200K to put it back together seems like a bargain. Luckey for me I've never broken a bone. Hundreds of stitches though and lots of little burns. Dave. Reminded me of this: Was your fib an open fracture?

the 'stache · #18 09-07-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000

Wow, Bill. How did you break your tibia and fibula?

I have a titanium screw in my left leg after tearing my ACL, MCL and PCL in November 2011. I have never gone through anything that hurt like that, and the therapy following the ACL reconstruction was just brutal. It blows my mind that it is almost standard now to come back from torn ACLs and play again in the NFL or the NBA.

I had no idea how a torn ACL were replaced until it happened to me. It was shocking when the orthopaedist looked at my MRI and nonchalantly said he was would drill a hole in my tibia for my new ACL.

Hi Eddie.

I had ACL reconstruction in December of 2011, as I'd blown out my knee in college playing basketball. Well, over the years, the knee got progressively worse to the point where it started going out on me. And the last thing a guy on disability with a bad back needs is to fall. So, the orthopedic surgeon that fixed my knee in 1992 did an ACL reconstruct, using a cadaver ligament. About a week after the surgery, I fell asleep in the CPM machine used to stretch the ligament out. I woke up, jerked the leg badly, and got a stress fracture (as I was strapped into the machine). The screw you see in the lower part of the pic is a titanium screw for that rebuild.

As for this break, I was stepping over my black lab Brewster, who was sleeping on the landing of the stairs. I had socks on (which I never wear. I don't know why I did this time). Well, my foot slipped right off the edge of the landing, and I felt the entire knee go out. I came crashing down, and the left leg above the knee looked like it had an elbow. I knew I couldn't move, so we had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I thought I'd blown out the ligaments in my knee. When the emergency room attending physician showed me the xray of my leg, the femur was just destroyed. I almost threw up, I was so horrified. I was born with a congenital bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta, so I am susceptible to broken bones. But this one was bad, even for me. I had surgery to rebuild the leg the next day, and after I got out of post op, and upstairs to my room, I immediately started developing a fever. They couldn't find the cause, so they started me on some really powerful antibiotics. When they didn't work, the hospital's infectious disease doc said I was septic, and they began all sorts of tests, as well as chest x-rays, galium scans, ultrasound to look for blood clots, etc. I got shots in my abdomen to prevent clots. My vitals started getting better, so two weeks after surgery, they sent me to the rehab hospital. Within 24 hours, I was back at the first hospital by ambulance. My fever was 103, and my white blood cell count was over 19,000. So overall, a very long, unfun, and expensive stay.

I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now.

cyseymour · #19 09-07-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

What tough guy act? If anything, you seem to be the one that is getting confrontational here. You did it last night with Eric, who is one of the nicest people on this forum.

The only thing I have done regarding Adrian here is to bring up what he did to get booted off the forum, nothing more. I fail to see how doing so makes me a "tough guy" whatsoever. I would think that telling somebody else to get lost would constitute being a "tough guy", however.

What threads have I started about him???

Here are the topics, I have started since March (I will bold the topics having to do with pre-war):

1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago)
2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.)
3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long.
4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set).
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Seems to me that a person taking even a quick look at the list of topics I've started over the last six months would see somebody learning about pre-war cards, educating myself about looking out for fake pre-war cards, etc. The only topic I started that had anything to do with a card from the 70s was #24, where I was looking for a new graded 1975 Topps Robin Yount, whom I collect.

So no, I'm not a "troll". Talk about making an assumption, and being completely wrong.

Yes, I do collect pre-war cards, and vintage, and modern cards, too. Unfortunately, I shattered my femur at the end of June, spent a month in the hospital fighting sepsis, and since coming home at the end of July, I've been doing physical therapy, and paying off my share of the $200,000 medical bill I ran up. So I haven't been buying any cards at all. I have new bills coming in daily, and before I spend money on my hobby, I am taking care of my responsibilities. So, I am sorry if my volume of pre-war card purchases do not meet your satisfaction, but I have bills to pay.

I've registered with REA so I could bid on some pre-war cards. I've been pretty open about the pre-war cards I want (T206 portrait Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth '33 Goudey, Lou Gehrig '34 Goudey, Nap Lajoie T206 with bat, Christy Matthewson T206 Dark Cap, Ty Cobb T206 bat on shoulder, T202 "Cobb Steals Third", T206 Willie Keeler portrait, I could go on...). I've been learning about pre-war cards, and if you've been paying attention to any of the posts I've made not related to Zone, you'd see that pretty much everything I've done since joining this forum has to do with my desire to build a really nice collection of players from the early days of the game. That doesn't mean I won't buy cards from the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, because I will. I love Clemente, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio, Willie Mays, Warren Spahn, etc, and I want to dabble in all sorts of different sets. I love the T206 set. I love the 1915 Cracker jack set. The 1953 Bowman Color set might be my favorite of all-time. I love the '58 Topps set, the '71 Topps set. I'm a big fan of the T202 set. I really like the T205 set. So, again, you are making a statement about me with zero knowledge of what I do. You've seen me making a few posts about Zone91, and made the quantum leap in logic to "well, you're a 70s card collecting internet-tough guy-troll that is trying to blacklist people". Jesus, if you knew anything about me (which clearly you do not), you'd laugh how completely ridiculous that is.

In fact, I think I ended my last post about Adrian asking forum members to let this topic go, as he was no longer a forum member, and couldn't defend himself.

And funny thing, in the last six months, I don't see a single thread I started about Zone91, though you are certain that I have. Another fabrication.

Actually, if you go back and read some of my posts (the ones I make lying in bed with my casted/iced leg sticking up in the air...you know, when I'm not being a "tough guy"), you'd see a lot of the posts I make are about pre-war cards. As soon as the first few of the T206 cards I bought came in, I couldn't scan them quickly enough to get them in the virtual T206 collection thread. You'll see the three of my additions late in the discussion.

I talk about storing my baseball cards, using a lock box at the bank, or a safe at home. I talk about '33 Goudey cards. I talk with Ian about t202 cards. I try to welcome new members when I see them, or answer questions to help people out. Talking about Adrian makes up 0.005% of what I do on this forum, yet it's all you can see. Maybe you should open your eyes?

Again, you have no idea what I "am", so until you educate yourself, I'd appreciate it if you stopped making assumptions about who I am, what I like, or what I stand for. Because you are way off base.

Now I have a vendetta? LOL. You're something else. I didn't start this topic. Before this, I've made 5 of the 147 posts in the discussion. And all I've done is remind people of what he did. When the "aw, Adrian isn't such a bad guy" meme comes out, I remind everybody of why he was booted. And I've had multiple people message me expressing their shock over just how bad he was.

Jamie, if you want to talk baseball, or about baseball cards, I would love to do so. That's why I came here. I don't have any vendetta against this guy. I have nothing against you. And again, I would appreciate it if we could just leave him in the past. There's far too many good things to talk about, and I hate wasting my time on negativity.

He has harped on and on about Adrian and posted endless links to old threads written by him. He said Adrian committed criminal acts when he hadn't. He claims he wrote the thread on making a blacklist simply because it "warranted conversation", when in fact he was heavily pumping the idea and offered to manage the blacklist himself, presumably so that he could gain control over it and the power associated with who would or wouldn't be on it (hint-Adrian). He wrote that the board should let the matter go, but only after, in the very same post, accusing Adrian of stealing from people in the future, even though Adrian has no history of stealing from anyone in the past and in fact just shipped out a card he sold. He also posted links to the very same Adrian threads that got everyone so upset in the first place. Those links and accusations are obviously so inflammatory that it isn't going to encourage anyone to let the matter go. Yet he claims he doesn't have a vendetta.

He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements.

As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff.

Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character?

CMIZ5290 · #20 09-07-2013, 07:07 PM

Hope you guys don't mind, I'm going to start a new thread....."Adrian is laughing his ass off"

the 'stache · #21 09-07-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cyseymour

He has harped on and on about Adrian and posted endless links to old threads written by him. He said Adrian committed criminal acts when he hadn't. He claims he wrote the thread on making a blacklist simply because it "warranted conversation", when in fact he was heavily pumping the idea and offered to manage the blacklist himself, presumably so that he could gain control over it and the power associated with who would or wouldn't be on it (hint-Adrian). He wrote that the board should let the matter go, but only after, in the very same post, accusing Adrian of stealing from people in the future, even though Adrian has no history of stealing from anyone in the past and in fact just shipped out a card he sold. He also posted links to the very same Adrian threads that got everyone so upset in the first place. Those links and accusations are obviously so inflammatory that it isn't going to encourage anyone to let the matter go. Yet he claims he doesn't have a vendetta.

He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements.

As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff.

Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character?

You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

cyseymour · #22 09-07-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

You're a real piece of work, I give you that. Why you are so intent on defending a guy that has welshed on his obligations left and right is beyond me, and frankly it's a little disturbing. Yet you have no problem attacking somebody who is only acting in the best interest of everybody on the forum. Real nice.

I'm not defending him from welshing on his obligations, as you would have it. I'm defending him from your own false allegations. You only think you're acting in the best interests of the forum. But it's not in the best interests of forum. That's why your ideas were rejected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I offered to host the list only so Net 54 wouldn't be exposed to any liability. That is the only reason. I would have given admin access to Leon and the mods. Some other people (people that aren't paranoid) might think, "that's cool. He's trying to help other board members by providing a list of Ebay buyers and sellers that are scamming people, or backing out on obligations they have voluntarily entered into". But not you. "Oooooh, Bill Gregory is making a power play." Really? Well, don't worry. The list isn't going to happen as the majority voted against it. I could care less would have been on it. People could have chosen to look at it if they wanted to, or they could have ignored it altogether. As I have already shown, other forums do it. SCF has a list of hundreds of people on their homepage. I suppose the mods use that as a "power trip", too, right? Or maybe they're just trying to protect their members.

Well, obviously the SCF list hasn't done a damned thing to stop corruption in the hobby. Nothing could be more clear than that. No one can know your true motivations except you. But I do know that you've made false allegations against Adrian and that you offered to be in control of a list that would have Adrian on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache

And where have I used my health issues to pass off inflammatory comments? The only reason I posted anything about my leg being broken and subsequent surgery was your absurd assertion that I am not a pre-war collector because you don't see me buying cards, or in your mind, I'm not buying enough. Adrian used his health (and several other things) as justification for his abhorrent behavior. I'm not using my health as an excuse for anything. I pay my bills. I meet my obligations.

Someone can own a lot or a little amount of cards and still be a troll. Bruce Dorskind was a troll and he had a phenomenal collection. But it's possible for someone who is a troll to buy a few cards in order to claim they are a collector. I do know that you tend to write inflammatory posts, as I've outlined earlier, and that a lot of the threads you've created have been off-topic. Those are two primary characteristics of a troll. My view is that you used the talk of your knee and the associated photos to gain sympathy for yourself and distract from the matter at hand.

Tao_Moko · #23 09-07-2013, 02:23 PM

Wow man! You need to let it go and talk cards. Edited to add my name because this was apparently liable advice. Eric Sharp

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Originally Posted by the 'stache

He has nobody to blame but himself for not being here. He was given several chances and blew every single one of them. Between the things he said to me publicly and privately, the things he said to other members (including wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth), refusing to pay for deals he made (and not grasping why that was a bad thing), and the pathological lying and excuse making, he doesn't deserve to be here. Membership on Net54 is a privilege, and members are supposed to be able to trust one another, and treat each other respectfully. Adrian, unfortunately, is incapable demonstrating the responsibility necessary to be trusted, and he's disrespectful of others at the drop of a hat. The fact that he spends any part of his life lurking here after he's been banned speaks volumes about the kind of person he is. He's a drama queen, and an attention whore. He'd go off on a forum member in some random discussion, and say he was leaving forever. Then he's start a whole new discussion announcing his imminent departure:

Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169148

He "quit", sat there reading all the comments from people saying he should take a break, or get some help, or just chill out. Then he came back. Then another month later, he made a thread threatening that all the people that were mean to him were going to "get it":

For all those that act nasty towards me...your end is coming!!!
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170958

Followed the next day by yet another "I'm leaving" thread:

How does one delete his profile I have enough of this place?
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170959

I have no sympathy for him. None. People were tolerant of his issues, and were supportive of him, including myself. We all tried to befriend him. We put up with his spamming completely inappropriate posts and threads on the main board, until Leon had to put a post limit to him. Then he started to show his true colors. It takes a hell of a lot for me to not like somebody, but he managed to make me not like him. And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up. "He really misses this place, and he's a good guy that made a few mistakes". I'm sure he misses it, because here he could be the center of attention. The forum fed his narcissism.

People need to understand that he is not a good person. He is a spiteful human being. He can turn on the charm, and appear to be the nicest person you've ever talked to. It's an act. When somebody questions what he's done, he goes into full-on attack mode. It's predictable, and frightening the amount of joy he seems to get from the assault he wages on other members here.

When he buys a bunch of cards, and ends up not paying for them, it's always the government's fault for not giving him the money he's owed for medical, or somebody owes him money for a coin he sold. Or his 19 year old dog needed emergency surgery (who puts a 19 year old dog through emergency surgery? That's not fair to the animal). Or his job owes him money. Or his grandma is sick. He never accepts responsibility for anything. He says he has learned, but then he does the exact same thing again. Forum members (Leon included) tell him it is not ok to buy cards, and not pay for them. He then says he realizes what he did was wrong, using his OCD as an excuse why he didn't before, and he will try to change. Then, he backs out of a card that he bought, costing the seller $500. The next day, he buys $100 worth of cards instead of giving that $100 to the guy he just stiffed, and working out a plan for the rest. He then justifies it by saying the seller might be losing $500 now, but they'll get $1,000 from me in the future when I buy another card. That twisted rationalization is a clear indication that he's never going to get it.

And he uses the same excuses over and over. You could come up with a list of Adrianisms, and just sit back and wait for them to be played in order. Kevin just posted this recently:

Same excuse he used back in May:

Guys, he cannot be trusted. I have seen people like this before. As a stock broker, I have had extensive training on spotting people like this as a means of protecting our clientele. He is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. You guys might be getting the cards he's selling now. But invariably, at some point in the future, we're going to see a thread from somebody that "I bought a card from Zone91, and it never came". It will happen. To use an analogy, you are all tickling the dragon's tail (look up Louis Slotin and Los Alamos if you don't understand the reference), and sooner or later, there will be fallout.

Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up. I get nervous when I see how "he misses the forum" because the next thing we know, somebody will be trying to bring him back. And that would be tragic.

Paul S · #24 09-07-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Wow man! You need to let it go and talk cards.

Very much agree.

And Bill, when you write, "And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up.", Well, you just did. (Me too, I guess).

Meanwhile, I'm returning back to my Yankees, who think they are going to mount a comeback at the Red Sox. The Bastids!

Here's a nice card to get the show on the road:

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