Black swamp Cy Young

bnorth · #1 09-09-2013, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

More than a few collectors are skeptical of their authenticity. I'm not sure a good counterfeit wouldn't get by a tpg.

I have a friend that sent in 2 counterfeit cards that both came back as PSA 9's. The the card stock was way thinner than a real card and photo cropping was way off. The real crazy part was he sent a letter with the cards telling the differences between them and a real card.
PSA grades counterfeit, altered, and trimmed cards as real/unaltered everyday. Let alone all the over grading they do for "preferred customers".

glynparson · #2 09-09-2013, 07:00 AM

Still think Elvis is alive, we never landed on the moon and the world is flat. Not saying stuff des not go on but not to the extent some of these outrageous claims go. Sorry I do not believe you about your friend and the fake cards. Sorry dont and probably never will. I honestly feel in many cases the ignorance on the board is passing the knowledge.

bnorth · #3 09-09-2013, 07:26 AM

I understand your opinion. So were are the facts to back up what I say. Go to the billripken.com web site. Then go to the versions tab ant then click on the mystery card link. There is a pic of the counterfeit PSA graded card. I can supply even more info/pictures if needed.

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Still think Elvis is alive, we never landed on the moon and the world is flat. Not saying stuff des not go on but not to the extent some of these outrageous claims go. Sorry I do not believe you about your friend and the fake cards. Sorry dont and probably never will. I honestly feel in many cases the ignorance on the board is passing the knowledge.

glynparson · #4 09-09-2013, 07:36 AM

I do not believe they have knowingly put fake cards on holders.

atx840 · #5 09-09-2013, 10:58 AM

You think these cards have gotten by PSA & SGC and the countless e98 and vintage collectors who have seen them in person?

Why fabricate e98s? Why release that many at once and "flood" the market and open yourself up to one not making the cut? The family story was so detailed and involved a few dozen people...everyone was in on the scheme?

Not buying it.

Leon · #6 09-09-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by atx840

You think these cards have gotten by PSA & SGC and the countless e98 and vintage collectors who have seen them in person?

Why fabricate e98s? Why release that many at once and "flood" the market and open yourself up to one not making the cut? The family story was so detailed and involved a few dozen people...everyone was in on the scheme?

Not buying it.

Agreed. Anyone thinking those cards aren't real is wrong. Period.

Cardboard Junkie · #7 09-09-2013, 11:18 AM

I bet they are as real as the Blue "Old MIll" back.

Dave.

vintagetoppsguy · #8 09-09-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Sorry I do not believe you about your friend and the fake cards. Sorry dont and probably never will.

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Originally Posted by glynparson

I do not believe they have knowingly put fake cards on holders.

Lol! You just got b1tch slapped with proof, then you're still apologizing for PSA. That's pretty pathetic!!!

Edite to add: He didn't say PSA knowingly puts fake cards in their holders. I think the point he was trying to make was that PSA lacks the compentance to tell the difference between a real card and a counterfeit one.

xcgrammer · #9 09-09-2013, 12:18 PM

They are no doubt real, I spent some time looking in person at the National. The one thing I don't understand is how some of the ones with serious tilt didn't get qualifiers. Does anyone know why this is????????????????

glynparson · #10 09-09-2013, 01:26 PM

On your edited response.There are a number of counterfeit cards in holders. Most are modern an easier to reproduce with similar materials,printing,etc. I do not believe any were put in with malice.

steve B · #11 09-09-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Lol! You just got b1tch slapped with proof, then you're still apologizing for PSA. That's pretty pathetic!!!

Edite to add: He didn't say PSA knowingly puts fake cards in their holders. I think the point he was trying to make was that PSA lacks the compentance to tell the difference between a real card and a counterfeit one.

I'd hardly call his assessment of an odd 89 Fleer "proof" Especially when it has a number of technical errors and statements that follow no logic.

The odd Ripken might be fake, but his argument isn't at all convincing.

If someone said PSA had let some bad Fro-Joys through, I'd say yes. (But then, what company hasn't) And there's a huge difference between an E card and a modern card.

I'd also expect a few mistakes among 9.9 million items(Just baseball cards). One half of one percent mistakes is almost 50,000 cards.

Steve B

vintagetoppsguy · #12 09-09-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I'd hardly call his assessment of an odd 89 Fleer "proof" Especially when it has a number of technical errors and statements that follow no logic.

The article showed how to spot a real '89 Ripken FF error from a fake. I thought it was very informative (not that I collect that kind of stuff) and there are clearly many differences between the two. Then, he showed a picture of the fake residing in a PSA slab. Look below, Steve. What more "proof" do you need?

bnorth · #13 09-09-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I'd hardly call his assessment of an odd 89 Fleer "proof" Especially when it has a number of technical errors and statements that follow no logic.

The odd Ripken might be fake, but his argument isn't at all convincing.

If someone said PSA had let some bad Fro-Joys through, I'd say yes. (But then, what company hasn't) And there's a huge difference between an E card and a modern card.

I'd also expect a few mistakes among 9.9 million items(Just baseball cards). One half of one percent mistakes is almost 50,000 cards.

Steve B

My point was only that there are counterfeit cards in PSA holders that PSA put there. Most of the time I think it is just they look at too many cards too quickly to get them right all the time.
I know nothing about the Black Swamp cards and never questioned there authenticity.

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