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[glynparson]

Sorry but you need to take some responsibility for your actions. Is he a scumbag, yes. Does this excuse his lying to you, no. But if you are there you need to scrutinize the cards yourself. Nobody with quantities of those cards, and set up at the national, is just giving them away and leaving tons of cash on the table. I am sorry you got burned and hope it does not keep you from buying cards in the future. However you need to take responsibility for a purchase you willingly made and were able to look at. There are reasons the grading vultures had not descended on the table. Again I don't mean to sound harsh but chalk it up as learning lesson and thanks for alerting possible newbies to this type of scammer. Lastly not to defend the scammer but a card can be pack fresh and have surface wrinkles it should NEVER have erasures though.

[RobertGT]

I was curious what this particular dealer looks like so I can remember the face when I attend big shows.

There is a youtube video of him here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmY9sjLEmI

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Sorry but you need to take some responsibility for your actions. Is he a scumbag, yes. Does this excuse his lying to you, no. But if you are there you need to scrutinize the cards yourself. Nobody with quantities of those cards, and set up at the national, is just giving them away and leaving tons of cash on the table. I am sorry you got burned and hope it does not keep you from buying cards in the future. However you need to take responsibility for a purchase you willingly made and were able to look at. There are reasons the grading vultures had not descended on the table. Again I don't mean to sound harsh but chalk it up as learning lesson and thanks for alerting possible newbies to this type of scammer. Lastly not to defend the scammer but a card can be pack fresh and have surface wrinkles it should NEVER have erasures though.

I take full responsibility for my actions, I lost money - I moved on - anyone who knows me (or heard about it @ national) knows I was over it the next day. I am making the community aware he has no problem lying and screwing people over. If the deal was how I thought he wasn't leaving "huge amounts of money on the table" but there was enough that realistically on the purchase size both parties could/should have made out.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Sorry but you need to take some responsibility for your actions. Is he a scumbag, yes. Does this excuse his lying to you, no. But if you are there you need to scrutinize the cards yourself. Nobody with quantities of those cards, and set up at the national, is just giving them away and leaving tons of cash on the table. I am sorry you got burned and hope it does not keep you from buying cards in the future. However you need to take responsibility for a purchase you willingly made and were able to look at. There are reasons the grading vultures had not descended on the table. Again I don't mean to sound harsh but chalk it up as learning lesson and thanks for alerting possible newbies to this type of scammer. Lastly not to defend the scammer but a card can be pack fresh and have surface wrinkles it should NEVER have erasures though.

Glyn,

Perhaps it would do you well to actually read the original post. He does take responsibility for his actions and clearly admits he made a 'rookie mistake'. For you to castigate him serves little or no purpose.



Mich.ael Bow.lby

[CMIZ5290]

First of all, a dealer who starts out as a Global grader is somewhat of a red flag for me. Secondly, I have never met the man, nor done any deals with him, but I have heard many horror stories.....

[Cardboard Junkie]

Sorry to hear that this stuff happens to anyone.

So as an ex gai grader turned dealer he says "these cards are pack fresh ex or better", and they turn out having marks erased.
And we have professional sports card graders that say "this card is nr mt 8", and it turns out being trimmed.
I guess the lesson here is one has to determine authenticity and condition for themselves.
Guy sounds like a nogoodnik.

[CMIZ5290]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is exactly why I only collect and deal in graded cards. Yes, there are downfalls to this, and I know alot of you hate grading companies....I just honestly think the pros out weigh the cons. There have been a couple of threads lately pertaining potential dishonesty with cards getting ridiculous bumps, and I agree. Some of these really stink to hell and back. I really don't know if there will ever be a happy medium, probably not....

[glynparson]

I agree this Gizmo fool should have pointed out flaws especially alterations but when the card is raw and in front of you it is your responsibility to study the cards and make the determination on whether you choose to buy or not, and I am sorry but finding someone to wholesale you quantities of these cards, in higher grades, at a show like the national in 2013 is rare and should have been a red flag by itself. This Gizmo is apparently a jerk and a borderline crook but the OP did not in my mind except reasonable responsibility for cards right in front of him. Im sorry that I feel he is as much to blame as anyone. Had he scored big would he be on here telling us how he ripped off the dealer and bought a card raw and got a 9/10. That is the risk when buying raw. Like I said the dealers that grade would have been on this guy like vultures if the cards were truly high end. I do not excuse the puffery and lying by Mr Gizmo but I do not find the OP to be lacking in responsibility either. This should be common knowledge, especially to someone spending that knd of coin, and I do and did thank the op for bringing this type of thing to light for newbies. So if its graded by the card not the holder but if its raw just trust the opinion of the stranger on the other side of the table? Sounds foolish to me.

[ullmandds]

Good points, Glyn.

[hammer]

If it's too good to be true well you know the end of the saying.

[CMIZ5290]

I love the youtube post, priceless....

[Sean1125]

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[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Sorry but you need to take some responsibility for your actions. Is he a scumbag, yes. Does this excuse his lying to you, no. But if you are there you need to scrutinize the cards yourself. Nobody with quantities of those cards, and set up at the national, is just giving them away and leaving tons of cash on the table. I am sorry you got burned and hope it does not keep you from buying cards in the future. However you need to take responsibility for a purchase you willingly made and were able to look at. There are reasons the grading vultures had not descended on the table. Again I don't mean to sound harsh but chalk it up as learning lesson and thanks for alerting possible newbies to this type of scammer. Lastly not to defend the scammer but a card can be pack fresh and have surface wrinkles it should NEVER have erasures though.

+1, but very sorry you got burned by this jerk. Wasn't that long ago that we had a certain dealer specializing in altered cards in my area. The grading services pretty much put a stop to its doing business in that form, although the dealer/company seems to be very much alive and doing business on ebay with cards that "apparently" have been professionally graded. Personally, I would want to inspect both the cards and the holders very, very closely--a leopard doesn't change its spots!

Best of luck,

Larry

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

+1, but very sorry you got burned by this jerk. Wasn't that long ago that we had a certain dealer specializing in altered cards in my area. The grading services pretty much put a stop to its doing business in that form, although the dealer/company seems to be very much alive and doing business on ebay with cards that "apparently" have been professionally graded. Personally, I would want to inspect both the cards and the holders very, very closely--a leopard doesn't change its spots!



Best of luck,



Larry

What dealer/company are you referring to?