T206 fronts/backs Extravaganza......show us what you have ?

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

with all due respect, i think you are wrong on this one....

it has Different Fonts with Different Colors, clearly indicating different Printing plates and different print runs than the T206's....its a Different (yet similar) set!

Scott,

The type 1 Coupon cards do not have different colors or fonts. They look like a t206 on the front and back.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Scott,

The type 1 Coupon cards do not have different colors or fonts. They look like a t206 on the front and back.

ya, i meant -2 and -3

coupon type 1 part of t206

[cfc1909]

First, we are not discussing what Burdick did. We are discussing whether or not t213-1 was part of t206 issue.

Second, we never said major leaguers were printed on the same sheet with southern leaguers in the t206 set. We don't believe they were. We do believe they were printed on the same sheets in the T213-1 set. That is one of the reasons we believe T213-1 is a different set and not part of the T206 set.

Third, you putting the Doyle correction after the first Piedmont 350 run lets me know how confused you are about the sets composition and the print groups.

The first Piedmont 350 backs to be printed were in 1909 with print group 1 subjects. The Doyle error was printed the second half of 1910 in the first run of print group 3 cards, which had Piedmont 350 backs.

You need to stop looking at the set by backs and look at the set by groups of fronts.

[ScottFandango]

im getting the popcorn.......

[atx840]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

im getting the popcorn.......

At this point I'm getting earplugs.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by atx840

At this point I'm getting earplugs.

I don't see how it can be an open and shut case.

From another thread, (which answered my question on this thread about what Burdick's intentions were) I see that it is admitted/postulated that Burdick got it right for the wrong reasons. If that is the case, then the case against t213-1 being part of t206 is very weak, as Burdick is the one who made up the whole concept of calling them t206 in the first place.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

First, we are not discussing what Burdick did. We are discussing whether or not t213-1 was part of t206 issue.

Jim

You cannot dismiss what Burdick did (or didn't do) to have a meaningful discussion why the 1910 COUPON set was not classified as another T-brand in the T206 family.

But, you will dismiss it it because you are being intellectually dishonest.

Originally Posted by cfc1909

...... you putting the Doyle correction after the first Piedmont 350 run lets me know how confused you are about the sets composition and the print groups.

The first Piedmont 350 backs to be printed were in 1909 with print group 1 subjects. The Doyle error was printed the second half of 1910 in the first run of print group 3 cards, which had Piedmont 350 backs.

Hey everyone, here is exactly what I clearly stated in Post #121 regarding the Joe Doyle card......
" Actually, the Joe Doyle error card was CORRECTED instantly after the first PIEDMONT 350 press run when it was initially printed as a 350-only series subject. "

I guess Jim you are the one who is confused about what I meant....350-only series.
So calm down....and, quit your CRAP ! .... your emotions are "blinding" you to what was actually stated by me.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

we used to look at the set as 150,350 and 460. This is looking at the set by back.

Doyle is print group 3.

Piedmont 350 is in print group 1,2,3,5 and 6.

Doyle is not a 350 only, he is in print group 3.

What I have been saying-do not look at the set by back, look at it by front groups.

I am actually calm, I don't post in bold and caps.

[RCMcKenzie]

I have heard that the old time collectors used to group all of their e92's together, without regard to the backs. Not many people today put together a Dockman set and throw in a Croft's and mark it off their list.

I have a nuanced opinion on the T213 issue. I believe that under his thinking, Burdick should have grouped them as T206, but he didn't and that's okay. I would not have been able to collect T213-1 for the prices I did, if he had called them T206. As I have told Ted, some of the best trades I've made on net54 are with Ted Z and Jim R.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

we used to look at the set as 150,350 and 460. This is looking at the set by back.

Doyle is print group 3.

Piedmont 350 is in print group 1,2,3,5 and 6.

Doyle is not a 350 only, he is in print group 3.

What I have been saying-do not look at the set by back, look at it by front groups.

I am actually calm, I don't post in bold and caps.

Who the heck is looking at the T206 set by backs....only ? Are you living in La-La land ?

Jeff Burdick, Lionel Carter, Buck Barker, Bill Heitman, Scot Reader (and others) have well established the T206 structure from both a FRONTS and BACKS perspective.
Many of us long-time T206 collectors are very well versed in the T206 set's player make-up with respect to the various series. I, for one, arrange all my T206 sets in my
albums by series (150, 350-only, 350/460, 460-only, and So. Lgrs)

Many of us T206 "traditionalists" have a complete understanding of this set from a FRONTS and BACKS perspective. And, that your so-called "print groups" are the new way
and only way to view T206's is absolutely ridiculous.

This "new speak" reminds me of the "new math" that was shoved down kids throats in the 1970's. And, very like your print groups, the new math only tended to confuse.

Sorry, but you can keep your confusig print group scheme to yourselves. Many of us will stick to our traditional thinking of the T206 set......for it has led to many ground-
breaking discoveries on this forum these past 7 years....ever since Scot Reader published his book "Inside T206 (2006). It motivated many of us on this forum to delve into
the "nitty-gritty" of The Monster and come up with a better understanding of the T206 set. Furthermore, there was an amazing bunch of guys who were willing to share
their T206 expertise and discoveries with all of us.

Your incessant nasty comments towards anyone on this forum who dares to post their thoughts regarding the T206 set has become tedious and tiresome. So, quit this shit


TED Z

[Brian Weisner]

Hey Ted,
The print groups are not "new math"... They actually make it easier to understand the set and it's printing.... And they add up...I wish I had looked at it this way 30 years ago.... You can agree to disagree... But, let's not make this personal. I haven't seen any nasty post by Jim...
Be well Brian

[tedzan]

It was really great to finally meet you after all these years at the National this Summer. I enjoyed talking T206's and other things with you. Thanks for tracking down
my booth.

I see some flaws in the print groups.....the Joe Doyle ERROR card was printed in an early 350-only (PIEDMONT 350) press run and very quickly corrected.

Therefore, Joe Doyle should belong to Print Group #2. As should the initial printing of Kleinow (NY-catching), Nichols (bat), Reulbach (arm extended), and F. Smith (white cap).

Subsequently, American Litho. (ALC) selected these 5 subjects and 61 other subjects for expansion into the 460 series....as is evident by ALC printing these 66 subjects
SOVEREIGN 350 backs with "apple green" ink.


Best regards ole buddy,

TED Z

[tedzan]

PIEDMONT 350





TED Z

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LOOKING for these 6 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)

[tedzan]

Hey guys,
Let's see some more of your T206 beauties. Here's some more of mine.








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TED Z

__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 6 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)

[tedzan]

My favorite of the four T206 Cobb's......and, which one do you.favor ?




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TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 6 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)

[tedzan]

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.................................................. ...... Three guys from the "Exclusive 12" group in the 460-only series .................................................
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TED Z
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 6 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)