Autograph News Live - criminals or just cowards?

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Victor Moreno is a piece of work, no doubt about it.
The negative stories about AMI are all over the internet. It certainly appears that they have left many consignors holding the bag.
When PAAS was formed Victor was a part of it but certainly not in an authenticating way, I wanted to make that very clear.
Three of us authenticated for the AMI catalog ,and constantly battled with Victor and Kieta, until we could establish our independence about authentication without them trying to influence us.
The idea eventually emerged that we should set up a TPA company and Victor was going to handle the advertising and the finances for the advertising.
That advertising effort was sorely lacking and was one of the factors causing PAAS and AMI to split up.
The authenticating company stayed together for a while and for a variety of reasons I decided to leave PAAS after a few months.
Mike Frost and Steve Koschal kept PAAS together for a period of time, I don't really remember how long, but eventually as you see they had a falling out.

I have not tried to make it sound as if Victor was an authenticator with P.A.A.S.
I have not done any authentication for them in years and I do not follow all the negative blogs about American Memorabilia Auctions. I am sure there are some truths as well as many misleading stories as this industry is well known for.. All I was saying was I like Victor and I think you would agree he always treated us fair when he brought us out to Vegas.

[RichardSimon]

I will agree he treated us fairly when we went to Vegas.
Aside from that Mike I think we disagree about him.

[shelly]

Mike, you might have a beef with your ex partner but I have one with you. You authenticated more bad autographs than I think ACE . I know that the other two are true pieces of work and are out to hurt anyone they dont like. I just cant feel sorry for what is happening to you.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

Mike, you might have a beef with your ex partner but I have one with you. You authenticated more bad autographs than I think ACE . I know that the other two are true pieces of work and are out to hurt anyone they dont like. I just cant feel sorry for what is happening to you.

Like this one, Shelly:

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[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Like this one, Shelly:

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Now that is a joke, a fake Mickey Mantle on a fake P.A.A.S. cert. I see who and what I am dealing with here.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Now that is a joke, a fake Mickey Mantle on a fake P.A.A.S. cert. I see who and what I am dealing with here.

So, Mike, you're saying that isn't yours?

Do you recognize this one:

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[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Now that is a joke, a fake Mickey Mantle on a fake P.A.A.S. cert. I see who and what I am dealing with here.

If someone were to fake a CoA, why would they forge a worthless PAAS cert? Wouldn't they be better off faking a PSA or JSA certificate?

[joed25]

Mike - I have no idea who you are and who all these people you are talking about are. And I don't really care much. But I always thought PAAS was a scam like GAI. Certifying more fakes than real. So if you have anything to do with PAAS you deserve whatever is coming to you and more. These "authenticators" and forensic examiners have done more damage to the hobby than anyone else IMO.

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[Big Dave]

Depends on what the purpose and/or reason is behind faking the COA.

This sounds like what people claim Mr. Mueller stated about some of his COAs. Perhaps Mr. Frost should not have started his finger pointing.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Please don't come on with your first post and now play the victim. If you want to explain some of what is out there, by all means go ahead. This is not a board where you can come on and gather support for your mission, but if you are honest and forthright I think people would be willing to listen.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

If someone were to fake a CoA, why would they forge a worthless PAAS cert? Wouldn't they be better off faking a PSA or JSA certificate?

+1

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

I see who and what I am dealing with here.

That's good, Mr. Frost. Understand that.