Autograph News Live - criminals or just cowards?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Mr. Forrest

It was not implied, nor did Mr. Frost make any reference to someone being a moderator. Like you, I post what I feel may be helpful or just what I feel like saying.

Mr. Williams,

You are mistaken. I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

So where did you sleep, Big Dave.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

So where did you sleep, Big Dave.

Obviously not with the fishes.

[r2678]

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

[Big Dave]

Well, I kind of did sleep with the fishes.....slept on a boat last night.

[Fuddjcal]

from my view, I think we are close to weeding out the whole story and Mike is a part of that.

I agree, the "fake cert trick" is a way to deflect. I find it hard to believe that the PAAS group didn't do very well with Mantle, even in the early stages. So, if you make a mistake, learn and move on. No one is very quick at admitting mistakes, hence the Stolen COA, The rock solid Providence story as long as Moby Dick & discredit the big guys, the little guys, everybody that can say "you're mistaken"....

I welcome the dialogue on the board with Mike trying to fill in some of the back story to this fractured group and see if there is a way to move on from all the negativity. I don't know if things will ever change for the better but I'm hopeful.

I get Mike's point in trying to plead his case on this legitimate forum especially since The Kumbaya Connection's one way slam on him (ANL). I would want a place to plead my case too. I say go for it Mike.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

from my view, I think we are close to weeding out the whole story and Mike is a part of that.

I agree, the "fake cert trick" is a way to deflect. I find it hard to believe that the PAAS group didn't do very well with Mantle, even in the early stages. So, if you make a mistake, learn and move on. No one is very quick at admitting mistakes, hence the Stolen COA, The rock solid Providence story as long as Moby Dick & discredit the big guys, the little guys, everybody that can say "you're mistaken"....

I welcome the dialogue on the board with Mike trying to fill in some of the back story to this fractured group and see if there is a way to move on from all the negativity. I don't know if things will ever change for the better but I'm hopeful.

I get Mike's point in trying to plead his case on this legitimate forum especially since The Kumbaya Connection's one way slam on him (ANL). I would want a place to plead my case too. I say go for it Mike.

Chuck, I agree with you for the most part.

I just didn't like Mike storming in here acting like an innocent victim.

He was a part of the ANL Group and part of that dark side.

I am all for him going after Mueller. I have as much disdain for Mueller as I do Chris Morales.

I've been a target of that group for a long time and any light Mike can shed on that group will be a positive for the hobby.

Only don't act like an innocent victim.

[Big Dave]

Mr. Forrest,

If I am not mistaken, you had blocked any posts that I make. Apparently you could not resist what I state or my style of writing, and thus felt the need to unblock me so that you may comment.

Would you be happier and my postings more acceptable to you if I were just to make snide, disparaging remarks such as you do?

[shelly]

Chuck, you can trust me on this. He authenticated more bad Mantles than anyone at that time. Morales beat him in the end.You can add Dimaggio and Williams as well.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

Great Question?

[thenavarro]

How to tell a fake/valid COA 101

I'm just a rural, country Texan, but I think I can deduce the formula for this, and the same one seems to apply to a lot of authenticators, not just the Easter Egg place

1) if it's a cert that is subsequently found to have certed a "bad" item, it must be a fake cert, because of course they are better than that

2) if it's a cert that seems to be attached to a good item, then pride will be taken in the work, and it is a valid cert

Just what I've noticed over the years.

Mike

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

How to tell a fake/valid COA 101

I'm just a rural, country Texan, but I think I can deduce the formula for this, and the same one seems to apply to a lot of authenticators, not just the Easter Egg place

1) if it's a cert that is subsequently found to have certed a "bad" item, it must be a fake cert, because of course they are better than that

2) if it's a cert that seems to be attached to a good item, then pride will be taken in the work, and it is a valid cert

Just what I've noticed over the years.

Mike

Bingo!!!

[shelly]

Why would you fake a cert if it does not add to the value of the item.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

A real PAAS has deep coloration all around the egg with even uptake. A fake one has splotches of color and is very uneven. Does that help?

[r2678]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

A real PAAS has deep coloration all around the egg with even uptake. A fake one has splotches of color and is very uneven. Does that help?

Thanks. Just trying to learn because I come across them on occasion.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

The best thing is always to go to or website www.paasaa.com and use the P.A.A.S. database. I also except e-mails and phone calls. Unlike many autograph authenticators in this hobby, I am available to talk and discuss issues with my customers or members of the hobby. There are many telltale signs of the fake P.A.A.S. certificates, but by explaining them all on the internet will only be helping the culprits that have been producing this and other certificates.
The fraud and corrupt part of the autograph industry have been using my name, my certificates, my credentials for years to add some credibility to there scams.This and the fakes COA's have been reported and alerts have been sent out in the past. The phony Certificates have been discussed on other websites and also illustrated before.
I was most probably the closest person in the autograph industry to Mickey Mantle for over 10 years. I would work directly with Mickey Mantle and Greer Johnson with autograph appearances and setting up private autograph signings and marketing. I was lucky enough to be one of the few that were ever invited into the inner circle and this has always caused much jealousy and envy among certain members of the industry.
One person that I know that started much of the misleading rumors and accusations was the famous Tony P. I have heard most of this trash for years and Tony has even told me many of the lies including that Mickey Mantle told him that I had permission to sign for him. I now see that Shelly has joined the anti P.A.A.S. fan club, this is somebody I have never heard of or dealt with but I must say that "birds of a feather".
Enough with all the hate, if anybody needs to talk to me please pick up a phone or e-mail me. The truth is only a phone call away.

[David Atkatz]

I have been collecting vintage autographs and vintage NY Yankee material for almost fifty years. I think I know a little bit about "the hobby."
And one thing I do know is that a P.A.A.S. certificate is absolutely worthless. I don't believe anyone would bother to fake one.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I have been collecting vintage autographs and vintage NY Yankee material for almost fifty years. I think I know a little bit about "the hobby."
And one thing I do know is that a P.A.A.S. certificate is absolutely worthless. I don't believe anyone would bother to fake one.

David, I am sorry but I think you are wrong, my COA's along with JSA, PSA, GA, Scoreboard, Stacks of Plaques, Mounted Memories have been faked for years. I have uncovered with some help 100's of fake certs attached to forgeries.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

David, I am sorry but I think you are wrong, my COA's along with JSA, PSA, GA, Scoreboard, Stacks of Plaques, Mounted Memories have been faked for years. I have uncovered with some help 100's of fake certs attached to forgeries.

Geez, Mike, you roll in here like gangbusters and then you claim (sounding like Todd Mueller) that every forgery with your COA must be an altered or fake PAAS COA.

C'mon, Mike.

Then you play the "Anti-PAAS" game.

You're not an innocent victim here.



When I get home tonight, I will post another autograph with a PAAS COA and you can tell us if the COA has been altered or "faked."