Andy Pettitte will retire at the end of the season

D. Bergin · #1 09-22-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

I still can't get used to seeing a pitcher throw say seven shutout innings, then get yanked for a reliever. The philosophy of sticking with a hot pitcher rarely applies today. Why not let the guy finish the shutout?

They are really conscious about pitch counts nowadays, to the point there are now controversies about guys staying in to finish no-hitters, forget about shutouts.

RichardSimon · #2 09-22-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

They are really conscious about pitch counts nowadays, to the point there are now controversies about guys staying in to finish no-hitters, forget about shutouts.

Can you picture any manger now trotting out to the mound and telling Gibson, Drysdale, Marichal, Spahn and any one of many, many pitchers that they are out now because they are at 100 or so pitches.
I think not.
As much as I still enjoy the game of baseball, the pitch counts and the DH are still awful and should not be a part of the game. I am glad that I mostly watch games where there is no DH.

Runscott · #3 09-22-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Can you picture any manger now trotting out to the mound and telling Gibson, Drysdale, Marichal, Spahn and any one of many, many pitchers that they are out now because they are at 100 or so pitches.
I think not.
As much as I still enjoy the game of baseball, the pitch counts and the DH are still awful and should not be a part of the game. I am glad that I mostly watch games where there is no DH.

Funny you should mention Marichal. The first game my Dad ever took me to - in 1968 - Juan Marichal pitched a complete 11 inning game, beating the Houston Astros.

HRBAKER · #4 09-22-2013, 04:30 PM

Richard,

I'm with you, I hate the DH.
It has a "beer league softball" smell to it to me, all apologies to Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz aside.

Runscott · #5 09-22-2013, 05:15 PM

Same here. The pitcher is one of the nine positions on the team - they all are required to hit. If you have pitchers who hit well, you have an advantage - it's part of the strategy of the game. I have despised the DH since its inception.

BigJJ · #6 09-22-2013, 06:06 PM

Agree regarding the DH

Jay Wolt · #7 09-23-2013, 08:44 AM

I like the Yankees & Pettitte but that won't help him for the Hall Of Fame.
He won't get in.
If he does, his 3.86 ERA would be the highest ERA in the Hall Of Fame.
I think Morris, Kaat & maybe even T.John deserves it more then him, and these 3 are borderline.

baseball tourist · #8 09-27-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Same here. The pitcher is one of the nine positions on the team - they all are required to hit. If you have pitchers who hit well, you have an advantage - it's part of the strategy of the game. I have despised the DH since its inception.

I disagree about the DH and do admit that I come from an AL hometown. Watching the game is entertainment, akin to watching a movie or attending a concert for me. I want to see the best talent at the plate, see some hits; not bunt after bunt and strikeout after strikeout. There are very few good hitting pitchers and the "easy out" they add by batting in the NL is to me, disappointing

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