Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[Daniel]

Jose - Is that Murray pack one of your home made specials? Can you estimate how many PSA graded packs that are in circulation are your creations?

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Jose - Is that Murray pack one of your home made specials? Can you estimate how many PSA graded packs that are in circulation are your creations?

Non of my so-called creations are in circulation there were done only so i can have prove of PSA's ineptitude in authenticating star cello packs, HOWEVER
you are right on one thing there is many bogus cello star packs PSA graded
in circulation, in fact YOU ARE the proud or maybe not so proud owner of some of them just look!!! you recently submitted these 2 Bench packs 1978 & 1979
and Bench NEVER came in the top section of either 1978 or 1979, those were put there by
a counterfeiter, so you were duped by who ever sold'm to you and PSA for authenticating them! Daniel you got the double whammy!!

[mintacular]

What do you think of the legitimacy of this pack?

[pepis]

Originally Posted by mintacular

What do you think of the legitimacy of this pack?

Hello Patrick,
so far i've been talking about the easy way to detect a bogus star pack and
that is recognizing whether the star card belongs in the top section of the
pack or not, this pack presents a different challenge for me because the card
showing on top Molitor/Trammell does belong in the top section and the card
on back is from panel "C" so it also does belong in that section HOWEVER i do see red flags!! i'm posting 3 pictures to help you understand the first is a picture of how a legit pack really looks (concentrate in the white part) the other 2 pictures are isolated sections of the scan you posted, the 2nd pic
shows what it looks to me like an interior tear that only happens when the
pack is opened, the 3rd is an arrow like look in the white that shows that
section of the inside flap may have been moved, REMEMBER i'm judging
by what i see in the scan you provided,,if you take a magnifying glass and
examine it i'm pretty sure you'll see it LMK and i'll explain rhy that happens
in a follow-up.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The corners on the Molitor look rounded. Is that typical of 78 cellos?

[1all]

I can't really see the internal tear in picture 2 but Picture 3 looks pretty darn conclusive of a reseal. It looks to be nearly impossible to reseal a late 70s cello without disturbing the white section.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by 1all

I can't really see the internal tear in picture 2 but Picture 3 looks pretty darn conclusive of a reseal. It looks to be nearly impossible to reseal a late 70s cello without disturbing the white section.

Yup, in 70s cellos the bottom flap is were the white section (paint) normally is and that's the thinest side of the pack, and the clear top flap is normally the thickest side of the pack and that is because the piece of gum is almost always in that side, so when the heat roller or sealer was applied to the back side of the pack it sealed better or stronger on the thicker side and it got weaker as it went through and got to the thiner side,,,,that's why counterfeiters almost always open the bottom flap, the seal is weaker or easier to open than the upper flap, because the seal is so strong in that upper side it almost always rips or tears the cellophane and that ruins the pack, but disturbing the white paint is no big deal, they figure most young naive collectors won't pay attention to detail.


Arthur, those corners do look funky! you can figure out why, now.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Daniel

Jose - Is that Murray pack one of your home made specials? Can you estimate how many PSA graded packs that are in circulation are your creations?

Here you go Daniel,
2 more home made graded packs that YOU ARE putting in circulation
when you have packs that aren't properly authenticated and you know it, the right thing to do is claim the psa guaranty!
not sell/pass them to innocent collectors as your'e doing.

[pepis]

Here is another sample of a home-made star cello pack, looks like
in the last 6 months this questionable packs have been coming down in price!
if anybody want to know why is it homemade! SIMPLE Ozzie NEVER came
on the top section of regular 1979 cellos!

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The seller's user name ring a bell, although I can't place why.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger

The seller's user name ring a bell, although I can't place why.

"Toonces the driving cat, the cat that could drive a car... He drives around, all over the town. He's Toonces the driving cat"

[japhi]

Is this one real?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251374277924...84.m1438.l2649

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by japhi

Is this one real?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251374277924...84.m1438.l2649

I am very curious as well... Please let us know the possibility of having the Roger Staubach card on the top and bottom of a cello pack.

[GiantsDude24]

Originally Posted by japhi

Is this one real?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251374277924...84.m1438.l2649

I don't see how it is possible to have a star card like that on the TOP and Bottom of a cello pack. How often did you look through packs as a kid and find the same star card on the top and bottom of a pack. I would be lucky to get one star card in 5 packs period...