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Old 10-29-2013, 04:19 PM
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I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:25 PM
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kevin...please...let us know Joe's side of the story...I'd love to hear it...but I highly doubt we ever will.
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:27 PM
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kevin...please...let us know Joe's side of the story...I'd love to her it...but I highly doubt we ever will.
You are probably right Pete, I'm sure Joe has better things to do than worry about this forum....
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:39 PM
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You are probably right Pete, I'm sure Joe has better things to do than worry about this forum....
I'm sure he does too Kevin, but he should be concerned with the way he and the brand he represents are being portrayed.

I too would be interested in hearing his response.
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Old 10-29-2013, 04:28 PM
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I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....
I would only be surprised if Joe actually responded. Kevin, Joe will handle this problem like they do all their other problems - just sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away.

When have you ever seen PSA handle a problem head-on on an open forum? Come on, you don't have to be a PSA hater to know that is how they deal with problems.
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I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....
Mbmiller is not a PSA basher...in fact I used to think of him as a PSA supporter....
This is a sad thread.....
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:20 PM
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Mbmiller is not a PSA basher...in fact I used to think of him as a PSA supporter....
This is a sad thread.....
Scott- did not mean Matt, but others on the Board....
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:56 PM
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I have spoken with Joe Orlando for about 25 minutes, maybe longer....As I said before in other posts, both sides need to be heard pertaining this situation. From Talking to Joe, the beginning of the conversation is pretty much agreed upon, but then rapidly changes. Joe relayed to me that any open discussions can be made to him personally, and he is always open to talking with Net54 members....
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:09 PM
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I know a coin dealer who submitted a 4K coin 65 times at over $100 a pop walk thru, on the 65th try the coin got the grade he felt it deserved and became a 45k coin......
So when he sold it can be said he flipped a coin?
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the silence is chilling....
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the silence is chilling....
What are we supposed to say? You talked to him, not us. Just go ahead and tell us what he said.
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Old 10-29-2013, 07:44 PM
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To me, the big issue here is favoritism and conflict of interest. A big part of the crack and submit game is the risk involved with damaging the card during the crack out, and the risk of potentially getting a lower grade. Factor in higher grading fee's for high value cards and crack and submit can be a risky game.

In this case, the OP had a relationship with the President of PSA and because of that relationship he received favorable treatment. There was no risk of a downgrade because PSA had the slabs. PSA was going to crack the cards and assume the risk (realized) of a damaged card. Furthermore the regular fee's and process were bypassed. I get why Joe was pissed with the OP's reaction - he was doing the OP a huge favour.

This just re-enforces that retail submitter's like me have no chance, the game is rigged. My cards need to go on separate orders, with separate shipping and they are handled by a random grader.

The OP's cards are graded for free and handled personally by the President of the company.

I'm not into all the conspiracy theories that pop up on these boards but the grading process is far too loose This wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't so much money involved.

Frankly I'm amazed that the President of PSA is this involved in the day to day grading of cards... in this case it bit him in the ass, he took on a stupid amount of risk for no obvious upside. How many submitter's are there out there like the OP that have a relationship with Joe and get favours? The process lacks integrity.
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I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....
I think everyone would be surprised to hear Joe's side on any public issue brought out against PSA since he publicly stays quiet about everything.
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A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.
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A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.
But we are not told the substance of the different take -- even better.
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A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.
Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....What else do you want? Oh, I know, witch hunt time.....
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Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....
Kevin,

No, no fantasy here. My point is that I would expect them to have a different perspective than the one which portrayed them negatively. And, I don't give a shit who gives a shit frankly.

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No, no fantasy here. My point is that I would expect them to have a different perspective than the one which portrayed them negatively. And, I don't give a shit who gives a shit frankly.

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Jeff- no offense, but how in the hell do you not know Matt is lying? Where is the line drawn?
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Jeff- no offense, but how in the hell do you not know Matt is lying? Where is the line drawn?
Kevin,

Can you read (no offense)? Where did I say who was lying. I said it was "shocking" that they would see the situation differently than the OP.

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Maybe I mispoke...Yes, Joe obviously cares about what people think, but this is ridculous. Why is there so much hatred against PSA, based upon one word from someone on Net54?? Maybe he's pissed??
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Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....What else do you want? Oh, I know, witch hunt time.....
But you are constrained from saying what his version is??
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But you are constrained from saying what his version is??
Peter- why dont you grow a set and call him at the number I provided? I promise he won't hurt your feelings....
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Peter- why dont you grow a set and call him at the number I provided? I promise he won't hurt your feelings....
I will take that as an admission Joe asked you not to say anything. Typical. Everything has to be done in the dark.
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But you are constrained from saying what his version is??
Damn Peter I forgot, Joe is to busy bid shilling.....My bad
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Damn Peter I forgot, Joe is to busy bid shilling.....My bad
Nice non sequitur, Kevin. You can do better, no?
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I do not collect graded cards so I do not have a dog in this fight.

I had a very LOOOONG response to this whole mess but I decided to delete it and write something shorter. So, here it is.

If Joe Orlando wants to respond to the OP then why doesn't he just let the OP tell his side of the story on the CU boards and then respond there? Why is the OP allegedly banned from PSA?

I know MANY times in the past that I have read on these boards where someone has had a problem with PSA and they have gone to the CU boards to air their complaints and what happens? They are banned from the CU boards, banned from PSA and their posts on the CU boards are deleted.

If that is what has happened to the OP in this situation then WHY should people have to call J. O. to get his side of the story? Wouldn't it be MUCH EASIER and MUCH LESS time consuming for J. O. to come here and tell HIS side of the story? Or, better yet, do it on the Cu boards?

I mean, I can't imagine the head of a company taking the time out of his day and/or night fielding calls about THE SAME THING when a much easier option would be to just make one e mail response, no matter how long it is and be done with it.

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