PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

calvindog · #1 10-30-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

I think Joe acted like a man protecting his business and I think Matt acted like a man who just had his irreplaceable collectable destroyed. The whole situation is a shame.

LOL comeon. Joe's "business" is part of a public company. Do you think its board of directors or shareholders wouldn't be pissed as to how he handled the situation? I have empathy for the guy here to a point and I have no doubt he tires of being abused for PSA's mistakes but that's kind of the cost of doing business and having his job. Less paranoia, less crazy behavior, more transparency. I think Joe would be surprised that people would be more understanding with PSA if such occurred. And it doesn't hep his company's credibility by the way when it comes out in the press that they slabbed an altered Wagner and claimed publicly for years that it never occurred.

T206Collector · #2 10-30-2013, 03:15 PM

I have never understood why collectors rely on TPG for anything other than an objective opinion from a source other than a dealer who likes to upgrade his cards in the description.

jhs5120 · #3 10-30-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

LOL comeon. Joe's "business" is part of a public company. Do you think its board of directors or shareholders wouldn't be pissed as to how he handled the situation? I have empathy for the guy here to a point and I have no doubt he tires of being abused for PSA's mistakes but that's kind of the cost of doing business and having his job. Less paranoia, less crazy behavior, more transparency. I think Joe would be surprised that people would be more understanding with PSA if such occurred. And it doesn't hep his company's credibility by the way when it comes out in the press that they slabbed an altered Wagner and claimed publicly for years that it never occurred.

He is offering you his phone number and a personal conversation, how much more transparent do you need?

Personally, I think the board of directors could care less whether or not Matt was banned from the CU forum.

slidekellyslide · #4 10-30-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

He is offering you his phone number and a personal conversation, how much more transparent do you need?

Personally, I think the board of directors could care less whether or not Matt was banned from the CU forum.

They should...it appears he spends a lot of money on high end PSA cards. Or at least he used to.

calvindog · #5 10-30-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

Personally, I think the board of directors could care less whether or not Matt was banned from the CU forum.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to -- that the board of directors would be worried about Matt, not how he handles customers who were damaged by PSA and the resultant negative publicity.

CMIZ5290 · #6 10-30-2013, 06:44 PM

While this is a situation that I am torn between, I would like to offer an apology for anything that was said by me deemed offensive. I do think, however, some of the comments I made were very much appropriate, and I do think some of the things said to me were out of line. As long as I have been a member here, there has been a tremendous amount of support for SGC, and a miniscule amount for PSA. I have never understood that, nor will I ever. I know Joe Orlando well and his business model, but obviously, it is shared by an extremely low percentage of Net54 members... It's unfortunate, but sometimes in the heat of the battle, people say things to people that they regret. Maybe it's even people that they have done alot of business with, regardless, I apologize.....Please, after this post, limit the witch hunts and take it for what it is.....

T206DK · #7 10-31-2013, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

LOL comeon. Joe's "business" is part of a public company. Do you think its board of directors or shareholders wouldn't be pissed as to how he handled the situation? I have empathy for the guy here to a point and I have no doubt he tires of being abused for PSA's mistakes but that's kind of the cost of doing business and having his job. Less paranoia, less crazy behavior, more transparency. I think Joe would be surprised that people would be more understanding with PSA if such occurred. And it doesn't hep his company's credibility by the way when it comes out in the press that they slabbed an altered Wagner and claimed publicly for years that it never occurred.

yeah , when will we hear anything from Orlando regarding the Wagner card !

MBMiller25 · #8 10-31-2013, 07:26 AM

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Where has Matt been since the original post?? Has anyone noticed that he has been eerily quiet since the opening statement?? I'm guessing he is reading this thread still?

I am following the thread Bobby, but don't have anything else to add. I said before in my second follow-up post that I don't mind any negativity directed at me. That's what makes America such a great place, we can all have an opinion, and aren't forced to agree with each other. I've enjoyed reading this thread and seeing what everyone has to say.

ullmandds · #9 10-31-2013, 07:51 AM

"yeah , when will we hear anything from Orlando regarding the Wagner card !"

I don't think Joe was with PSA when this occurred...was he? Although either way I'm sure he knows what happened.

MBMiller25 · #10 10-31-2013, 08:26 AM

Someone asked to see a scan of the PSA 7. The right and Left corners on top of the card is where the damage occurred.

Edit to add: Its tough to see the left corner damage in this scan, but that's the worse off of the two corners.

calvindog · #11 10-31-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MBMiller25

Someone asked to see a scan of the PSA 7. The right and Left corners on top of the card is where the damage occurred.

Edit to add: Its tough to see the left corner damage in this scan, but that's the worse off of the two corners.

Matt, you've got some spectacular cards in your collection.

Ease · #12 10-31-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Matt, you've got some spectacular cards in your collection.

+1, beautiful cards man.

RichardSimon · #13 10-31-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

"yeah , when will we hear anything from Orlando regarding the Wagner card !"

I don't think Joe was with PSA when this occurred...was he? Although either way I'm sure he knows what happened.

If Joe did not know early on, once Mastro went down he certainly knew it then.
"Hey PSA this card has been trimmed but if you want to build a company that nobody now knows about slab it and you will be famous." - - Who could have possibly said that??

T206DK · #14 10-31-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If Joe did not know early on, once Mastro went down he certainly knew it then.
"Hey PSA this card has been trimmed but if you want to build a company that nobody now knows about slab it and you will be famous." - - Who could have possibly said that??

He's there now and that's all that matters to me and other collectors I know. I don't have a vested interest in PSA or the registry or anything, but am concerned that no one has said anything regarding the findings from the recent court case ( at least not that I have seen). It speaks to the rep of the company, and the reputation of thousands of "graded" high dollar cards and collectibles in collections around the world. The only way a numerical grade even matters is because people trust that company and the people that are grading cards there.

calvindog · #15 10-31-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by T206DK

He's there now and that's all that matters to me and other collectors I know. I don't have a vested interest in PSA or the registry or anything, but am concerned that no one has said anything regarding the findings from the recent court case ( at least not that I have seen). It speaks to the rep of the company, and the reputation of thousands of "graded" high dollar cards and collectibles in collections around the world. The only way a numerical grade even matters is because people trust that company and the people that are grading cards there.

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

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