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[MW1]

So both the milehigh example (PSA 2) that sold for a little over $16K and the probstein example (PSA 4) are forgeries that came from the "Magee" varieties. I wonder if the same person is behind both frankencards. It looks like the work is slightly different because on one of the cards there is a lateral movement of text while on the other, there is simply a horizontal movement or kerning. I wonder if the former example employed newly printed letters.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Thank goodness we can all relax, Joe's looking into it.

[ZachS]

You guys never cease to amaze me with this detective stuff.

[Cardboard Junkie]

"The ink bleeds." ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[MW1]

Looks like the probstein auction has been ended. I have a feeling someone is going to lose his card grading privileges. Both cards are pretty significant forgeries as far as hobby history is concerned.

[Cardboard Junkie]

I see the real problem as incompetent tpg's.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

I see the real problem as incompetent tpg's.

David,

No one is perfect. As printing technologies improve so does the ability to create better and more precise reprints and forgeries. I could show you some that would make your head spin. That's why there is great value in the opinion of a TPG and a well-educated collector.

[Cardboard Junkie]

When it comes to forgeries and altered cards, opinions should have nothing to do with it. Condition Yes, that is opinion. Forgeries and alterations are science.

[h2oya311]

Awesome work!

So why did the exact card (barring the name change) get such different grades?? PSA 5 down to PSA 2. I'm not a conspiracy theory kinda guy, but maybe there's some collusion w/ PSA graders who wanted the card to not be traced back to a Magee PSA 5 and/or didn't want the card to get even more attention as a "mid grade" example vs a low grade example.

Just sayin'!!

[h2oya311]

I hope Joe looks into it real closely. That card, had it been legit, should not have gotten a grade of 2 unless there was some new undetectable paper loss.

[atx840]

The buyer of the original Magee's also bought a Doyle.....not good.

110950722688 1 Piedmont 350 PSA 2 lharri3600 -***d $138.50 2012-09-12 14:13:46

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...&grade=&page=1

[probstein123]

hey guys,
I can't give all the details, but one of the net54 guys was kind enough to email me ...
we ended the auction based on the data presented..
thanks for letting us know


rick probstein

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by MW1

So both the milehigh example (PSA 2) that sold for a little over $16K and the probstein example (PSA 4) are forgeries that came from the "Magee" varieties. I wonder if the same person is behind both frankencards. It looks like the work is slightly different because on one of the cards there is a lateral movement of text while on the other, there is simply a horizontal movement or kerning. I wonder if the former example employed newly printed letters.

Mike agree the PSA 2 is almost laughable, but the PSA 4 if one wasn't really looking could pass by lots of folks no questions asked.

As you know this is a card that has been being faked since the hobby began. To me this is one card that every collector should review and review and get somebody else also who knows a lot or they trust to review before spending money on this card. IMO.

Again what a surprise damage near the name....and what do you know a tweak job.

[nolemmings]

so.. wouldn't the simple solution be to ask the sellers(whom we all know) who they sold the cards to???

If not a solution, it sure would make a great start, along with the identity of the Mile High consignor.