Another Probstein LOL

Leon · #1 12-05-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ctownboy

IwantitIwinit,

I would call eBay and complain. Tell them you now know about the questionable things that go on with this sellers' auctions and that you do not appreciate the fact that you might be shilled.

If they don't do anything then I would wait and retract your bid and leave somebody else holding the bag.

David

Last night and in the last few minutes I have been emailing with Rick P about this auction of his. That bid retracting person hasn't won anything from him in over 90 days, he says, and ebay allows bid retractions, so he doesn't see an issue. I kindly told him that there is an issue and just because ebay allows it doesn't make it right. He did share literally hundreds of biddrers id's he has blocked. He says he does take action many times and many times it's because of what is said on the forum....and I would imagine other forums too. I told him that I know there are issues with someone retracting multilple times, he knows and the whole world knows it. Just because he denies culpability and no ebay rules are being broken doesn't make it right...

Peter_Spaeth · #2 12-05-2013, 10:02 AM

So he doesn't have time to monitor his auctions, yet he has found reason to block hundreds of bidders?

Leon · #3 12-05-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So he doesn't have time to monitor his auctions, yet he has found reason to block hundreds of bidders?

He says he does 20000 auctions a month and doesn't monitor them unless it's brought to his attention.

vintagetoppsguy · #4 12-05-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

He says he does 20000 auctions a month and doesn't monitor them unless it's brought to his attention.

It was brought to his attention over a year ago that Joe Panky was shilling his own consgnments and yet some how he didn't get blocked (as a bidder or consignor). Leon, if you speak to him again, please ask Rick why he took no action with Panky.

Leon · #5 12-05-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It was brought to his attention over a year ago that Joe Panky was shilling his own consgnments and yet some how he didn't get blocked (as a bidder or consignor). Leon, if you speak to him again, please ask Rick why he took no action with Panky.

I will.....but I want to go on record as someone who thinks it's crazy to let bidders retract bids almost at will, regardless of ebay policies or not. Do I think Rick is complicit otherwise, no. Do I think he turns the other cheek, so to speak, yes. Do I think he does act on some of the more egregious issues, yes. But I will ask about the Panky issue.....

Hot Springs Bathers · #6 12-05-2013, 10:40 AM

Sorry to be late and so uninformed but reading all the banter but is Rick safe to buy from? I have picked up a few guides and programs over the past couple of years and it seems like everything went ok. Of course very low dollar and grading is not involved?

the-illini · #7 12-05-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Sorry to be late and so uninformed but reading all the banter but is Rick safe to buy from? I have picked up a few guides and programs over the past couple of years and it seems like everything went ok. Of course very low dollar and grading is not involved?

There has never been any issue that I am aware of with the items he sells not being real. The auctions they are sold in are full of shill bids in many instances.

Acollector · #8 12-05-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Sorry to be late and so uninformed but reading all the banter but is Rick safe to buy from? I have picked up a few guides and programs over the past couple of years and it seems like everything went ok. Of course very low dollar and grading is not involved?

No buying from him is not safe and I will explain in detail in a later thread.

markf31 · #9 12-05-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

He says he does 20000 auctions a month and doesn't monitor them unless it's brought to his attention.

I wonder how the Probstein apologists will try to spin that little anecdote.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 12-05-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by markf31

I wonder how the Probstein apologists will try to spin that little anecdote.

No need to spin it, they will accept it at face value, and maybe we can get some more misleading calculations to support it.

Acollector · #11 12-05-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

That bid retracting person hasn't won anything from him in over 90 days, he says, and ebay allows bid retractions, so he doesn't see an issue.

That just says criminal behavior in my opinion.

HRBAKER · #12 12-05-2013, 04:53 PM

It may be the case that that the "bid retractor" never had any intention of "winning" anything. So I am not sure what that is supposed to mean.

frankbmd · #13 12-05-2013, 05:17 PM

Ebay could install a "RETRACT NOW" button to facilitate bid retractions, but I would suggest that in addition to providing the Bid Count in parentheses to scrollers that they provide a Retraction Count as well on each auction page. These could be color coded as demonstrated here.

So if you went to any auction page the line with the current bid would read

$65.00 [35 bids] [4 retractions]

Just an idea to make things easier for all.

Cardboard Junkie · #14 12-05-2013, 05:27 PM

Good idea Frank! BTW nasty thread about problemstein on the post war side.

Runscott · #15 12-05-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

Ebay could install a "RETRACT NOW" button to facilitate bid retractions, but I would suggest that in addition to providing the Bid Count in parentheses to scrollers that they provide a Retraction Count as well on each auction page. These could be color coded as demonstrated here.

So if you went to any auction page the line with the current bid would read

$65.00 [35 bids] [4 retractions]

Just an idea to make things easier for all.

I suspect that at some point ebay will get rid of the 'bid retractions' information, as it hinders shilling by their larger accounts.

frankbmd · #16 12-05-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect that at some point ebay will get rid of the 'bid retractions' information, as it hinders shilling by their larger accounts.

Scott, you mean that Ebay is not going to pay me a royalty for my suggestion.

Peter_Spaeth · #17 12-05-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect that at some point ebay will get rid of the 'bid retractions' information, as it hinders shilling by their larger accounts.

At this point the fact that you can still see it is likely an oversight.

calvindog · #18 12-05-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I suspect that at some point ebay will get rid of the 'bid retractions' information, as it hinders shilling by their larger accounts.

Hey Scott, whoa whoa whoa! Rick says everyone has auctions with dozens of retractions!

Just like everyone buys a Mathewson ball in REA and then miraculously a few months later it ends up being auctioned by said person with a shill underbid for EXACTLY what he paid for it! Happens all the time!

Runscott · #19 12-05-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Hey Scott, whoa whoa whoa! Rick says everyone has auctions with dozens of retractions!

It's hard to argue with the 'everyone else...' logic. Glad to say I've never had to use it.

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