CANO to Seattle

71buc · #1 12-06-2013, 08:26 PM

I live in Wershington and as such I am a M's fan by proxy. I hate to say it but this feels like a desperate last ditch effort by Jack Z. to save his job by putting lipstick on a pig. They need to have at least one other big bat in that line up to play 500.

khkco4bls · #2 12-06-2013, 08:36 PM

Cano was lazy running and it won't change. Great talent. One man does not make up a team. Let him go. The salaries are out of control, and I am done going to the stadium to pay for them. Thank god for 55" HD TV..

thetruthisoutthere · #3 12-06-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by khkco4bls

Cano was lazy running and it won't change. Great talent. One man does not make up a team. Let him go. The salaries are out of control, and I am done going to the stadium to pay for them. Thank god for 55" HD TV..

Absolutely a great talent.

Like I wrote previously, "I was never enamored with Cano."

Cano was always about Cano.

Yankees will be just fine without him.

hammer · #4 12-06-2013, 09:55 PM

Hey I have been a suffering Met fan for the last 5yrs of painfull baseball. At least they picked up Granderson and are trying. This is a improvement and I hope its a start going in the right direction.

Runscott · #5 12-06-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 71buc

I live in Wershington and as such I am a M's fan by proxy. I hate to say it but this feels like a desperate last ditch effort by Jack Z. to save his job by putting lipstick on a pig. They need to have at least one other big bat in that line up to play 500.

I agree that Jack Z should not have this job, as he has made plenty of mistakes, forcing out Wedge being one of them. I also agree that they need a big bat, and I think Cano is a much more serious effort than they put out last year with the two big veteran acquisitions. But this isn't putting lipstick on a pig, or adding a bat in order to play .500. The Mariners may not take advantage of it, but almost everyone recognizes that they have the young talent waiting in the wings to build a very good team in the near future, but you usually can't do that without a Cano or two. They've added the big bat. Now let's see if they can put the pitching staff together in the right way and properly get rid of a few lost causes such as Justin Smoak.

Old Hoss · #6 12-06-2013, 10:48 PM

I follow both the M's and the Yankees (grew up in NY, now live in WA).

The labeling of Cano as "lazy" has always been unfair and a misunderstood take on a truly natural talent. It just takes watching him for a few games to see a smooth, solid style of play. Just because it looks effortless in the field, doesn't mean he is lazy. Just because he isn't a "grinder" who makes routine 4-3 ground-outs ever-so-slightly-closer, does not make him lazy. He is a fantastic player. I think most fans in NY will miss him because he was fun to watch, and talent like that is special. I'm lucky that I got to follow him as a Yankee and will get to continue following him closely as a Mariner.

I don't feel like Yankee fans assume that World Series titles are their birthright. However, Yankee fans likely feel like they will be a better team over the next ten years than the Mariners. That seems pretty plausible and likely, no? Who has more postseason wins in the next ten years, the M's or the Yankees? Maybe it is debatable, but if I were a betting man, I'd say the Yankees.

In my experience watching Eric Wedge manage the M's and the Indians before that, he appears to be a sub-par manager in virtually every way. To me, the M's were smart to go in a new direction, especially if Wedge was asking for to be brought back for more than one year.

Here is one of the many articles you can find to support my point about Wedge's generally underwhelming managerial career [some of the better points about him are slightly embedded, which requires a closer read]: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...ire-eric-wedge

HRBAKER · #7 12-06-2013, 11:02 PM

No worries for the Yanks they just signed Beltran.
The youth movement continues.

Runscott · #8 12-06-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Hoss

However, Yankee fans likely feel like they will be a better team over the next ten years than the Mariners. That seems pretty plausible and likely, no? Who has more postseason wins in the next ten years, the M's or the Yankees? Maybe it is debatable, but if I were a betting man, I'd say the Yankees.

Yes, again - all baseball players on the planet should flock to the Yankees - it only makes sense.

And as huge as their payroll is, and as great as their individual players are (and their amazing fans...), shouldn't any Yankee manager who doesn't win the World Series every year be deemed a failure? And even some who DO win it, since it would be impossible to do otherwise based on their plethora of talent, payroll and incredibly knowledgeable and loyal fans?

It's no illogical jump of logic to state that ALL human beings who have any sense at all, should convert to Yankee fans?

Old Hoss · #9 12-07-2013, 12:07 AM

I don't think my post indicated that I feel like all players should flock to the Yankees. I indicated a fairly rational explanation for the likely outlook of many Yankee fans, and I am someone with ties and an interest in BOTH teams. I was responding to a post about the entitlement of Yankee fans--maybe some fans have a sense of entitlement (isn't being a fan of any team about entitlement in some way, shape, or form?). Yankee fans have high expectations, not because of pinstripes, but because of their market and their money. Should a post about Yankee fan expectations and the fact that they are likely to win more postseason games than the M's be taken to mean that "all baseball players should flock to the Yankees"? Or that all fans should be Yankee fans? No and no.

I'm sorry if my post was taken to be about Yankee fan superiority, or interpreting my advocacy for people being fair-weather fans. That was not my intention. I think anyone who is being objective would agree with the statement I made, and know that it was not about the actual superiority of teams or fans. I have a huge rooting interest in the M's and would like to see them have a successful run.

I also love baseball, in general, and have an interest in parity in the game.

Are you defending Eric Wedge with your rhetorical question about managers?

71buc · #10 12-07-2013, 01:45 AM

In order to compete now I think the Mariners could:

Trade Taijuan Walker for David Price
Trade Nick Franklin for Billy Butler and install him as the DH
Sign Corey Hart and make him the first baseman
Trade Danny Hultzen for Joc Pederson and put him if right field

Starting Lineup
1. Ackley LF
2. Kyle Seager 3b
3. Robinson Cano 2b
4. Billy Butler DH
5. Corey Hart 1b
6. Joc Pederson RF
7. Michael Saunders CF
8. Brad Miller SS
9. Mike Zunino C

Starting rotation
Hernandez
Iwakuma
Price
Paxton
Capps

Deertick · #11 12-07-2013, 11:46 AM

I believe it will take Walker AND Franklin plus for Price.

Runscott · #12 12-07-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Hoss

I indicated a fairly rational explanation for the likely outlook of many Yankee fans,

Twice.

I already stated my thoughts on Eric Wedge. I get it - you disagree.

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