Are Older SGC Graded Cards Valued Less?

[RGold]

I have probably submitted more cards for crossover to SGC than anyone on this board. I have been successful in crossing cards from old holders. However, the SGC guarantee does not apply to cards in old holders.

When you submit a card in an old SGC holder, it will be treated like a card that has been graded by another company. While SGC does not guarantee cards in old holders, they may, on rare occasions, buy the card back or reholder it at a lower grade and pay the difference. However, that is because they do not want a badly misgraded card floating around.

Now Kevin knows all this already. I would not normally comment on a card that someone is selling in the BST section. However, Kevin constantly uses the main forum to advance his agenda in the BST.

Because cards in old SGC holders do not carry the guarantee, they sell for less. Because they sell for less, it is assumed by savvy buyers that the seller has already tried to cross the card to a new holder. Or, in Kevin's case, since PSA cards sell for so much more, it is assumed he tried to cross the Cy Young into a PSA holder. Why wouldn't he?

[Leon]

When I am buying or obtaining a card I generally look at the card more than I do the age of the holder. Now, if a card is in a high grade GAI holder, then I run the other way (some might be good, a lot aren't). But for SGC or PSA, old or new holders aren't a big deal to me. I have crossed one card I remember, an N284 SGC 92 King Kelly. It crossed from a very old SGC holder to a new one with the same number. That was maybe 5-6 yrs ago....

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by RGold

I have probably submitted more cards for crossover to SGC than anyone on this board. I have been successful in crossing cards from old holders. However, the SGC guarantee does not apply to cards in old holders.

When you submit a card in an old SGC holder, it will be treated like a card that has been graded by another company. While SGC does not guarantee cards in old holders, they may, on rare occasions, buy the card back or reholder it at a lower grade and pay the difference. However, that is because they do not want a badly misgraded card floating around.

Now Kevin knows all this already. I would not normally comment on a card that someone is selling in the BST section. However, Kevin constantly uses the main forum to advance his agenda in the BST.

Because cards in old SGC holders do not carry the guarantee, they sell for less. Because they sell for less, it is assumed by savvy buyers that the seller has already tried to cross the card to a new holder. Or, in Kevin's case, since PSA cards sell for so much more, it is assumed he tried to cross the Cy Young into a PSA holder. Why wouldn't he?

Ron, I too have crossed lots of cards from PSA to SGC and older SGC holders also. I agree with you 100%.

As for commenting on other members cards mainly in terms of picking apart their grades I think it’s a weak thing to do so I avoid.

However since Kevin asked directly about his Young card while it’s a real beauty I don’t think that card would become an 86 today based upon the scans provided on the BST. I think it would be more in the 82-84 at best range based on my experience with SGC which is now well over 2k graded SGC cards.

Not a shot at Kevin because the card is very nice I’d love to own it. I too am shocked Kevin hasn't moved this to a PSA holder he has made a big point of saying money for cards is left on the table unless they are in PSA holders....

[chaddurbin]

i had a "SG" t206 speaker 60 that came back trimmed many years ago, so yes personally i treat them the same as GAI holder...and i'd rather buy a raw card than a GAI card.

derek's gold sticker SGC grades are the toughest!

[tbob]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i had a "SG" t206 speaker 60 that came back trimmed many years ago, so yes personally i treat them the same as GAI holder...and i'd rather buy a raw card than a GAI card.

derek's gold sticker SGC grades are the toughest!

Never much love for GAI cards I have plenty of really beautiful caramel cards graded in GAI holders from back in the day when GAI was just as strict as SGC. Granted that time has long passed but there was a time when GAI graded cards were very credible.
P.S. I haven't had a card graded by GAI now in 6-7 years....

[chaddurbin]

agreed tbob, if i'm buying GAI the safest ones would be the "First Graded" labels. you can be certain those were the earliest GAI stuff.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tbob

Never much love for GAI cards I have plenty of really beautiful caramel cards graded in GAI holders from back in the day when GAI was just as strict as SGC. Granted that time has long passed but there was a time when GAI graded cards were very credible.
P.S. I haven't had a card graded by GAI now in 6-7 years....

The problem with buying GAI is that while there is a very new generation holder that should be avoided at all costs in my opinion, I don't know of any way to tell the difference between the early cards that Bob mentions which I agree were quite legit and cards from a few years later with the same holder and flip where the company clearly had started to make compromises.

[chaddurbin]

1st gen GAI can also be iffy because alot of their business came from the $2.50 pre-grade at shows where they looked at the card under a yellow lamp for 10-15sec and assign a grade to it (if you like the grade it costs an additional $5-$10 for slabbing back at their HQ). i suspect lots of altered stuff passed through this way.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by RGold

I have probably submitted more cards for crossover to SGC than anyone on this board. I have been successful in crossing cards from old holders. However, the SGC guarantee does not apply to cards in old holders.

When you submit a card in an old SGC holder, it will be treated like a card that has been graded by another company. While SGC does not guarantee cards in old holders, they may, on rare occasions, buy the card back or reholder it at a lower grade and pay the difference. However, that is because they do not want a badly misgraded card floating around.

Now Kevin knows all this already. I would not normally comment on a card that someone is selling in the BST section. However, Kevin constantly uses the main forum to advance his agenda in the BST.

Because cards in old SGC holders do not carry the guarantee, they sell for less. Because they sell for less, it is assumed by savvy buyers that the seller has already tried to cross the card to a new holder. Or, in Kevin's case, since PSA cards sell for so much more, it is assumed he tried to cross the Cy Young into a PSA holder. Why wouldn't he?

Ron- not really sure where this discontentment is coming from. First of all, when have I used the main forum to promote a card? My Young card was submitted on this thread without my knowledge, by another member... I have bought many SGC cards from you (mostly overgraded by the way). Bottomline, I don't give a damn whether someone buys the Young or not, absolutely could care less. But, having said that, I will take bets on whether or not it crosses to a new 86 holder...

[wazoo]

Thanks for all the information everyone, and the entertainment as well.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by wazoo

Thanks for all the information everyone, and the entertainment as well.

Wazoo- You may just be a kid, but you definitely know how to stir the pot...You should fit right in...

[wazoo]

Hahahah, hey it was just a question!

[wonkaticket]

Yeah Waz, way to "bump" the thread.