Question on the E98 Background Color Variations

pcoz · #1 01-02-2014, 10:22 PM

Rob, great stuff. I do have more staining on my greens & oranges after looking at them. Far less on the reds & blues. My reds are in the nicest condition, with some of the lower grades I received from back paper loss, not staining. I think you're right and they were used in a wider distribution capacity. I've always considered them E cards because of the staining, and that you can make the case the mid-grade of the set is an SGC 40 or less, not including the BSF. Old Puts I would have in the T category for how they were distributed. E98's seem to have the tough player/color combos, with the E94's having certain colors showing up more often. Two great sets!

Leon · #2 01-02-2014, 10:32 PM

Anyone see many misprints and freaks in E98? Here are a few, the Bridwell with the split back, Walsh with a pretty cool sunburn and Evers with fading or something?...

bn2cardz · #3 01-16-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Anyone see many misprints and freaks in E98? Here are a few, the Bridwell with the split back, Walsh with a pretty cool sunburn and Evers with fading or something?...

There was a Mack Black Swamp Miscut showing three cards on the front (Ford's name on top and a slight card on the right) and a split back. I am glad it is miscut because to get a post factory problem free card that was centered would have cost me at least 10x as much (based off the lowest Mack BSF).

peterose4hof · #4 01-16-2014, 02:54 PM

Great thread guys! I had the pleasure of seeing Tim's "book" of E98s that he brought to the National a couple years ago. Truly an impressive collection.

I only collect Cincinnati Reds so McLean is the one that I am after from this set. I have the red version (below), but I still need the other 3. Any thoughts on if McLean is tougher to find in one color vs the others?

caramelcard · #5 01-16-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

There was a Mack Black Swamp Miscut showing three cards on the front (Ford's name on top and a slight card on the right) and a split back. I am glad it is miscut because to get a post factory problem free card that was centered would have cost me at least 10x as much (based off the lowest Mack BSF).

Was bidding on this card too. It's very difficult to find an E98 with a name at the top.

bn2cardz · #6 01-16-2014, 05:08 PM

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Was bidding on this card too. It's very difficult to find an E98 with a name at the top.

I really thought it was a beautiful card and felt the miscut added to the value. I really didn't think I would win it. I guess the grade helped me on that one.

Tim Kindler · #7 01-17-2014, 09:35 PM

Andy,
I love your unique Mack! Yes, I have only seen one other E98 with a name on the top before. As Rob said, that is a special one.

Chris,
Thanks for the compliment on my book of E98s. It's now complete!

As for the McLean, I have seen that particular player more often in Red and Green. Blue and orange, I have seen quite rarely. This is my experience with that particular card which might greatly differ with other collectors.
Best Wishes,
Tim Kindler

pcoz · #8 01-18-2014, 09:34 AM

Tim, I've had the same experience with McLean. The red & green backs show up more often(not that it's that often in general) & in much nicer shape. I've only seen a couple of blue & orange ever, and they were in poor/beater shape.

brianp-beme · #9 01-02-2014, 10:46 PM

Great insider info on this set Tim and Pete...I always dig what long time, focused collectors can bring forward to the collecting community. Here are the ones I own that Tim (and Pete on the Tinker) noted as being difficult. Notice that they are all blue in color. And marvel at how they are artfully arrayed so as to almost disguise missing portions on Tinker and Brown. These have never seen the light of my scanner, though the Tinker and Brown have been picked up within the last five years, so were at some point on the tanning bed, but perhaps not noticed because of their sour condition. I have had the Coombs forever, so he probably doesn't even know what a scanner is.

Brian

Tim Kindler · #10 01-02-2014, 11:31 PM

Brian,
Thanks for sharing your scans. Those are some toughies and ones I have rarely seen. My Brown, an SGC 10 isn't much better, just completely there

. I agree with Pete. Not only do I think Blues are tougher to find, they are tougher to find in better condition.

Leon,
Here are a few odd/ball E98s. The Green McGraw has a white face with no skin coloring like the other color background McGraws. My Blue McGraw and my Blue Meyers have a split back of two cards with one card on front.

Staining- I definately see Rob's point on the staining of Green and Orange backgrounds. Many of my oranges and greens have staining, but so do many of my Blues. Maybe the Reds were given out as promotional pieces and not included in candy/caramel wrapped candies like the other colors????? This is a theory behind why how the family got all their Reds which were then placed up in that attic without being distributed and were left in incredible condition. It would also help explain why the majority of Old Put Backs (I've only seen 4 Blues stamped with an Old Put- Leon's Clarke, My Dooin, and 2 from a private collector) are on Red cards. The store owner might have gotten them as a promotion and decided to make his own advertising pieces??
Tim Kindler

caramelcard · #11 01-03-2014, 12:30 AM

Tim,

Great points. And thanks for checking on the blues for stains. Now, I remember that many of my blues had staining as well. Not to say that we won't find some red E98s with caramel/candy stains, but I don't think they're as common if there are any. I think you're onto something with the reds possibly not going into packaging. But, it's possible that other colors (sometimes) didn't go in either. Even before the B.S find (

), I'm sure you remember Scott M's green set. Nearly flawless and all of them found together.

Anyone still have the green E98s with the "paid" stamp?

Rob

Tim Kindler · #12 01-03-2014, 12:49 AM

Rob,
I don't know about the PAID stamp ones, but I remember a few years ago when some bum tried to sell a green background card with a fake Old Put Stamp.
Yes, Scott's set is still the most amazing thing on the SGC registry.

pcoz · #13 01-03-2014, 05:49 AM

Since we were talking about OP's, here's my blue one. After checking some of the OP's, it seems a few have staining as well, which brings into question whether some were distributed, picked up, stamped and redistributed by the Old Put Cigar Company. Rob, Scott M's set furthers your point about different ways they came to the market, as they are stunning cards and couldn't have been in a candy wrapper. I think I remember him saying he got all of them together in an estate sale. Brian, love the blues!

caramelcard · #14 01-03-2014, 01:57 PM

Wow. Great card Pete.

There was only one blue OP until I found one on ebay in horrible shape that Tim has now.

How many blue are there now?

Rob

phlflyer1 · #15 01-22-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pcoz

Rob, Scott M's set furthers your point about different ways they came to the market, as they are stunning cards and couldn't have been in a candy wrapper. I think I remember him saying he got all of them together in an estate sale. Brian, love the blues!

Hi Pete,

That is a really nice Old Put example! Thanks to you, and others, for your compliments on my E98 set.

I have nowhere near the knowledge on the E98 set that you and other collectors such as Tim and Rob have. The only thing that I can add to the discussion is that my E98s were obtained in the mid 1970s from the sister of the original collector who passed away. They were going to be thrown out before my father and I rescued them from the trash!

The collection "only" had the one complete set of all Green E98s (no doubles) and a single low-mid grade Orange E98 that I had the pleasure of trading or selling to Mike P. several years back.

If you look real closely there is a little bit of staining on one or two of my Green E98s but most of them do not have any staining at all.

I can't say exactly how the original collector obtained the cards, whether it was individually or as a group. I can tell you that they were kept stored in a Piedmont slide shell tobacco box along with other tobacco and candy cards that we found stored inside of other tobacco boxes which were kept inside cigar boxes from the period.

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