Help with Goodwin Cobb Blank Back

[Jaybird]

I think it's real. There I said it. The arguments against are not convincing. I've held many blank backs. If the scuffing on the back is the only concern, I don't buy it. The scan is terrible but that doesn't make it a bad card. When you see cards with back damage, what do you normally see? Glue residue surrounding areas of non-damage. On a blank back, these will show through as smooth areas surrounding scuffed areas. The glue residue is present on the Goodwin card as well as the scuffed areas. It seems to have been removed from a scrapbook hastily is all. Basically what Leon has been saying. But it's easy to form a conspiracy theory. As long as we're doing that, how about the conspiracy theory of people keeping the price low?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

I think it's real. There I said it. The arguments against are not convincing. I've held many blank backs. If the scuffing on the back is the only concern, I don't buy it. The scan is terrible but that doesn't make it a bad card. When you see cards with back damage, what do you normally see? Glue residue surrounding areas of non-damage. On a blank back, these will show through as smooth areas surrounding scuffed areas. The glue residue is present on the Goodwin card as well as the scuffed areas. It seems to have been removed from a scrapbook hastily is all. Basically what Leon has been saying. But it's easy to form a conspiracy theory. As long as we're doing that, how about the conspiracy theory of people keeping the price low?

Seven hours before this thread was started, I told Dan this in an email...though, as stated I am not positive..


"That texture you see on the back could have easily been from scrapbook removalﾅ..I think I can see mostly smoothness, which is a good signﾅ..not saying it's one way or the other for sureﾅﾅﾅ.as too hard to tell from the scan, for me"

[Tao_Moko]

Since it was determined authentic as a blank back by the grader than it would seem reasonable that there would be either notes or grading criteria checklists that could be referenced(thickness, coloration, residue, scuffing, tears, etc.) from it's raw form. This is most likely a 1/1 of a high profile non-S/Ler and it's back and rarity are in question. Perfect opportunity for the tpg to step up and offer some details.

Just to beat the horse for a second:

I'm not in favor of numerical grades due to the lack of controls and human judgement but I am in favor of tpg authentication. A card that could be one-of-a-kind should come with evidence of it's authenticity.

[Blunder19]

Jason

I do not think it was in a scrap book. Where is the glue residue ? There is none. Normally there would be some staining evident on a scrap book removal. Also what has me worried is the shape in Which the paperloss takes on the back. A wide circle almost exactly where the advertisement would normally appear. I only see smoothness on the corners. It looks to me like the middle was skinned.

[BlueSky]

What I find interesting is the mark to the right of his head when you zoom in. This is the first time I have seen what looks to be the same mark that appears in the card below on another red Cobb.

[Blunder19]

I tired to outline what I see as the area that is missing paper..

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

Jason

I do not think it was in a scrap book. Where is the glue residue ? There is none. Normally there would be some staining evident on a scrap book removal. Also what has me worried is the shape in Which the paperloss takes on the back. A wide circle almost exactly where the advertisement would normally appear. I only see smoothness on the corners. It looks to me like the middle was skinned.

The scan is not nearly good enough to make the determination you are making. I see much more smoothness than you outline and any of the brownish elements could be glue residue. But I don't want to debate any longer since we're debating on a very blurry scan. To my eye there are 3 or 4 brown splotches which is typical to how people glued cards in scrapbooks. The scuffed areas are next to those splotches.

I also think I see the face of Jesus. Let's debate that as well.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

The scan is not nearly good enough to make the determination you are making. I see much more smoothness than you outline and any of the brownish elements could be glue residue. But I don't want to debate any longer since we're debating on a very blurry scan. To my eye there are 3 or 4 brown splotches which is typical to how people glued cards in scrapbooks. The scuffed areas are next to those splotches.

I also think I see the face of Jesus. Let's debate that as well.

I dunno, it looks more like Matty or maybe Felipe to me

[danmckee]

Not skinned? Did anyone else look at it while it was popped? Or just the grading service that would look like idiots if they were wrong to begin with?

My vote is skinned, sorry

Way too much texture on the back

dan