John Rogers Home and Business Searched by the FBI

Sunny · #1 02-04-2014, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Now you just need names and teams LOL.

Truthfully there�s a real card Peter Nash tried to con me to invest in for $250,000. It�s so crazy and over the top you will never forget it and I think we can all agree that Peter Nash needs to seriously get professional help. It�s very sad that Nash actually thought I believed in his conman scheme. Here�s the true story:

January of 2007, Pete and I where at the Fireplace Restaurant on route 17 in Paramus, NJ. After we ate Pete tried to pitch to me an investment that would make me millions. Pete wanted me to invest in the 1912 Red Sox first pitched baseball that he had purchased for approximately $140,000 in auction from Sotheby�s. Sometime thereafter buying the 1912 baseball Nash needing money consigned the 1912 baseball to Robert Edward Auctions and borrowed a large sum of money from Robert Edward Auctions against it. Nash wanted me to give him $250,000 for 49% ownership in the 1912 baseball and most of the money would be used to get the 1912 baseball back from Robert Edward auctions. He would then have the baseball cut up and take the string from inside the baseball and have the string cut into 2 inch lengths. Nash knew the full length of the string inside the baseball and how many 2 inch pieces could be made. Then Nash would have a professional company take the 2 inch pieces of string and put them onto a baseball card. After that he would make a deal with the Red Sox and Memorabilia shops to sell this 1912 Red Sox first pitch baseball cards for $20 each. Nash had this crazy conman proposal all figured out showing a gross profit of $28 million and a net profit of $23 million. At the time I was friends with him so I didn�t want to laugh at the idea and tell him how crazy the idea was so I told him my wife, Lisa probably won�t go for it. So then Pete went for the second pitch to get money from me. He asked me to invest in a bunch of Joe Jackson bricks that he acquired from Shoeless Joe Jackson�s house, I�ll leave that story for another time.

Peter Nash instead of writing a bunch of crap on your website and wasting your time. Why don�t you do something constructive and do a nice write up on all the collateral we have of your so we can sell it and apply it to the Judgment we have against you. As you are aware we have a Court Order to sell this collateral in a commercially reasonable manner. As you are aware we have moved our judgment to NY State and filed it in Saratoga County where you live. Remember any money we spend on legal fees going after your assets, we will make a motion to the court for you to pay those legal fees. The interest on the Judgment is over $100 per day. So why don�t you help yourself and pay down on the Judgment by helping us sell your collateral we have been Court Ordered to sell. Our attorney told us we have many options, asset depositions, wage garnishment, bank accounts, personal property, including attaching your website and selling it to the highest bidder. I hope you will help yourself and send me that write up on your collateral.

wonkaticket · #2 02-04-2014, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

including attaching your website and selling it to the highest bidder.

What's the starting bid Robert?

atx840 · #3 02-04-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

What's the starting bid Robert?

Dolla dolla bill y'all

wonkaticket · #4 02-04-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by atx840

Dolla dolla bill y'all

Funniest thing that's not even Peter Nash, that is a look alike...I know LOL, but true.

Ease · #5 02-04-2014, 11:17 PM

Selling $28mil of old baseball string would be quite a feat. I'd love to hear the Joe Jackson bricks story.

Cardboard Junkie · #6 02-04-2014, 11:52 PM

Let's see....28 million bucks divided by 20 Bucks for each card=1,400,000. cards.

2 inches of string per card= 2,800,000 inches of string.

There are 63,360 inches in a mile or enough for 31,680 cards....but we need 1,400,000 cards

So one would need over44 miles of string to make 1,400,000 cards at 20 bucks a pop to get 28 megabucks.

Are there 44 miles of string in a hardball?

My research says there are 363 feet of string in a baseball, and 744 feet of yarn. I dunno maybe my math is off. Anyone?

Sunny · #7 02-05-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Let's see....28 million bucks divided by 20 Bucks for each card=1,400,000. cards.

2 inches of string per card= 2,800,000 inches of string.

There are 63,360 inches in a mile or enough for 31,680 cards....but we need 1,400,000 cards

So one would need over44 miles of string to make 1,400,000 cards at 20 bucks a pop to get 28 megabucks.

Are there 44 miles of string in a hardball?

My research says there are 363 feet of string in a baseball, and 744 feet of yarn. I dunno maybe my math is off. Anyone?

The way Nash had it figured out he would take the string apart and use the thread of the string to make the cards. I guess I should have explained it better. Besides trying to con me out of my money I sometime think maybe in his delusional mind he may have believed in his crazy scheme. But of course using somebody elses money. Peter Nash is so delusional he thought the documentary movie he made �Rooters The Birth of Red Sox Nation� would make him a net profit of $600,000. In reality he lost money making the movie.

Pete you need to get a real job. I remember Bekim Laiqi telling me you�re not the same person he use to know. Angela Thomas told my wife and me that you owe Bekim Laiqi and his cousin $300,000. Did you pay them back? I heard you pawned off the collateral they had to a pawn shop. Do you have any memorabilia left? Or did you give everything to Bekim�s cousins when they paid you that unannounced visit.

Sunny · #8 02-05-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ease

Selling $28mil of old baseball string would be quite a feat. I'd love to hear the Joe Jackson bricks story.

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Peter Nash where exactly are these bricks? In your deposition you said there in South Carolina but where exactly, you need to give details.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 02-05-2014, 05:39 PM

Was the idea to dismantle the museum?? It is brick.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12213246

WhenItWasAHobby · #10 02-05-2014, 06:46 PM

I have a better idea. Encapsulate the entire house with a plastic holder and assign it a grade.

HRBAKER · #11 02-05-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I have a better idea. Encapsulate the entire house with a plastic holder and assign it a grade.

...and then have it redone 3-4 times in hopes of a bump.

Sunny · #12 02-06-2014, 11:15 PM

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Peter Nash where exactly are these bricks? In your deposition you said there in South Carolina but where exactly, you need to give details.

Hey Pete, why haven’t you told the story about the Joe Jackson bricks on your website Hauls of Shame? What, why would you be embarrassed, the Joe Jackson house had some real merit. Oh, come on Peter just because you were embarrassed by the joke Richard Davis, from “Flip This House” played on you. Playing that joke on you with the Shoeless Joe Jackson shoes would have made great TV. You could have use the TV show to promote the bricks and made some quick money. You should have let it go, but instead for about one year you went back and forth like a fool editing the film. They got tired of your silliness and cut you out altogether and aired the show without you. I told you to leave it alone. The joke they pulled on you would have made great TV and it would have given you great provenance to promote the Joe Jackson house bricks you own. How foolish to blow an opportunity to make some real money when you needed the money badly. Just think, if you had allowed the TV show to air their way your whole life would be much different. Your pride and arrogance and stupidity have led you down the road of destruction. Where are those bricks now Peter Nash? Rob Lifson has a Court Order to attach and seize any property, personal of real, which belongs to you and the Order specifically names the “building material/bricks from Joe Jackson’s home” among many other items, including the 1880’s Radbourn Providence Silver Trophy Baseball. But you said in your deposition that John Rogers has your Radbourn Sliver Trophy Baseball because you’re working it into a business deal. So does that means John Rogers lied in his affidavit saying all of his loans to you were unsecured? Peter what happen to that signed Joe Jackson baseball that Legendary Auctions had of yours. I was told John Rogers bought it for $15,000 and as you are aware any proceeds of that ball was supposed to be sent to Rob Lifson, minus any commissions owed to Legendary Auctions. You and Rogers have a lot of explaining to do. You better tell Rogers to send that Radbourn Silver Baseball and the money for the Joe Jackson baseball to Lifson because you certainly don’t need any more legal problems. But Pete don't be delusional the bricks are not worth what you think they are, although you could have made some money with them. I certainly hope that place in South Carolina still has the bricks because you certainly need to pay down on your debt.

Ease · #13 02-07-2014, 12:53 PM

So Richard Davis owned the house and Pete acquired the scrap from the flip this house renovation? Then he pitches you on the email scheme with that scrap for 250k?

Sunny · #14 02-07-2014, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ease

So Richard Davis owned the house and Pete acquired the scrap from the flip this house renovation? Then he pitches you on the email scheme with that scrap for 250k?

After I’m done working I’ll post the details. Richard Davis told me dealing with Peter Nash was a nightmare. He told me Nash is the type of guy that after you shake his hand you have to make sure some of your fingers aren’t missing.

Hey Pete please let me know what collateral I have of yours is real. What’s up with this 1912 Boston Red Sox framed team photo that you put $1,000 value on? It looks like a magazine photo that you put in an old frame. What say you? Peter where is my 1912 World Series Player Diamond Stickpin and the 1868 Albumen photo of the Brooklyn Atlantics that you stole from me and gave to Al Angelo for collateral? I have a Court Order for you to return them and I want them back immediately. Please tell Al Angelo to give them to me. I assume your aware that your prior attorney returned the 5 other items you stole from me that you gave to Al Angelo as collateral. If Mr. Angelo doesn't return the items to me I guess I'll have to file criminal charges. The last time I spoke with Al Angelo he hung up the phone on me.

Sunny · #15 02-07-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Hey Pete, why haven�t you told the story about the Joe Jackson bricks on your website Hauls of Shame? What, why would you be embarrassed, the Joe Jackson house had some real merit. Oh, come on Peter just because you were embarrassed by the joke Richard Davis, from �Flip This House� played on you. Playing that joke on you with the Shoeless Joe Jackson shoes would have made great TV. You could have use the TV show to promote the bricks and made some quick money. You should have let it go, but instead for about one year you went back and forth like a fool editing the film. They got tired of your silliness and cut you out altogether and aired the show without you. I told you to leave it alone. The joke they pulled on you would have made great TV and it would have given you great provenance to promote the Joe Jackson house bricks you own. How foolish to blow an opportunity to make some real money when you needed the money badly. Just think, if you had allowed the TV show to air their way your whole life would be much different. Your pride and arrogance and stupidity have led you down the road of destruction. Where are those bricks now Peter Nash? Rob Lifson has a Court Order to attach and seize any property, personal of real, which belongs to you and the Order specifically names the �building material/bricks from Joe Jackson�s home� among many other items, including the 1880�s Radbourn Providence Silver Trophy Baseball. But you said in your deposition that John Rogers has your Radbourn Sliver Trophy Baseball because you�re working it into a business deal. So does that means John Rogers lied in his affidavit saying all of his loans to you were unsecured? Peter what happen to that signed Joe Jackson baseball that Legendary Auctions had of yours. I was told John Rogers bought it for $15,000 and as you are aware any proceeds of that ball was supposed to be sent to Rob Lifson, minus any commissions owed to Legendary Auctions. You and Rogers have a lot of explaining to do. You better tell Rogers to send that Radbourn Silver Baseball and the money for the Joe Jackson baseball to Lifson because you certainly don�t need any more legal problems. But Pete don't be delusional the bricks are not worth what you think they are, although you could have made some money with them. I certainly hope that place in South Carolina still has the bricks because you certainly need to pay down on your debt.

Peter Nash told me he bought the Joe Jackson house for $105,000 from Dan Rawls (just the house not the real property) and right after Nash closed on the house he flipped the house to Richard Davis for a price of $130,000 and Davis moved the house and donated it to be used as the Joe Jackson museum. Nash�s deal with Richard Davis was that he got to keep a certain amount of bricks, the garage in the back yard and some other parts of the house. Nash told me he didn�t have the money to close on the house and Dan Rawls wanted to sell the house directly to Richard Davis, Nash threatened a lawsuit. I was told by Bekim Laiqi that his cousin lent $100,000 to Nash to close on the Joe Jackson house. Bekim told me his cousin took the profit and Peter was left with the Joe Jackson material/bricks.

Richard Davis pull a prank on Peter Nash and Peter fell for it all the way. Davis told Peter that there�s a rumor that Joe Jackson buried his shoes under the house for good luck when he had the house built. So Davis got an old pair of shoes and buried them under the house. When the construction crew lifted the house Nash found the shoes and went wild thinking he won the million dollar lottery. Eventually Davis told Nash it was a prank and Nash felt like a fool and was pissed off. Below is a couple of emails Richard Davis sent me.

From: "Richard C. Davis"
Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson House
To: "lkochfraser@optonline.net"

> I can probably find a copy somewhere in the office, what is your
> address? Don't know the Cox guys other than that move, I paid
> them personally to do that move, your Dumb Ass Pete seemed to
> think TV networks paid for everything, my show was real and that
> was real money that he cost me for not signing the release. I
> ought to just post the prank footage on youtube

but I learned
> to not let the viewing public associate with people like him
> with my company or show, therefore I made sure even his shadow
> didn't make the episode.
>
> RCD

From: "Richard C. Davis"
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson House
To: "lkochfraser@optonline.net"

> Robert,
>
> Yes, he was a pain in the Ass and got in our way every day and
> ultimately never would sign a release so we had to cut footage
> around him so he never was on the show. �

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsd3OqKRslo

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2442326

Fuddjcal · #16 02-08-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunny

Hey Pete, why haven’t you told the story about the Joe Jackson bricks on your website Hauls of Shame? What, why would you be embarrassed, the Joe Jackson house had some real merit. Oh, come on Peter just because you were embarrassed by the joke Richard Davis, from “Flip This House” played on you. Playing that joke on you with the Shoeless Joe Jackson shoes would have made great TV. You could have use the TV show to promote the bricks and made some quick money. You should have let it go, but instead for about one year you went back and forth like a fool editing the film. They got tired of your silliness and cut you out altogether and aired the show without you. I told you to leave it alone. The joke they pulled on you would have made great TV and it would have given you great provenance to promote the Joe Jackson house bricks you own. How foolish to blow an opportunity to make some real money when you needed the money badly. Just think, if you had allowed the TV show to air their way your whole life would be much different. Your pride and arrogance and stupidity have led you down the road of destruction. Where are those bricks now Peter Nash? Rob Lifson has a Court Order to attach and seize any property, personal of real, which belongs to you and the Order specifically names the “building material/bricks from Joe Jackson’s home” among many other items, including the 1880’s Radbourn Providence Silver Trophy Baseball. But you said in your deposition that John Rogers has your Radbourn Sliver Trophy Baseball because you’re working it into a business deal. So does that means John Rogers lied in his affidavit saying all of his loans to you were unsecured? Peter what happen to that signed Joe Jackson baseball that Legendary Auctions had of yours. I was told John Rogers bought it for $15,000 and as you are aware any proceeds of that ball was supposed to be sent to Rob Lifson, minus any commissions owed to Legendary Auctions. You and Rogers have a lot of explaining to do. You better tell Rogers to send that Radbourn Silver Baseball and the money for the Joe Jackson baseball to Lifson because you certainly don’t need any more legal problems. But Pete don't be delusional the bricks are not worth what you think they are, although you could have made some money with them. I certainly hope that place in South Carolina still has the bricks because you certainly need to pay down on your debt.

anyone to buy a "brick"...any brick in the first place needs his head examined. what a complete idiot. I like the stories the Pete tells, but with-out a doubt Sunny, I like reading your your stories just a little more. Never stop dogging Brick Boy...I can see it now, storing bricks at his house that are probably from his backyard planter LOLOL, if he has a backyard anymore? If he does, I hope you take it. Good luck chasing your money Sunny!

Cardboard Junkie · #17 02-08-2014, 11:01 AM

There are quite a few "brick" collectors.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LONG-RECTANG...item33894fa29b
Someone had the brilliant idea to market Olympia bricks (the old Red Wing playground), after the place was demolished. They made some good money. Just saying collectible bricks can be cool. Heck I even had a brick from "hadrians wall" I picked up in England in76....sold for $500.00 jes sayin

Sunny · #18 02-05-2014, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

What's the starting bid Robert?

On which items? The website or the collateral. The website I guess I can start it at $1.00 and see where the bidders take it. I’m sure there's a few companies or people out there that would want to bid on the website.

If Nash doesn’t give provenance or a write up on the collateral maybe I’ll sell all the collateral items in an “AS IS” auction. I can start the bidding at $1.00 and see where it goes. My problem is I hope some of the collateral I have wasn’t stolen from old lady Katherine Dooley in MA. Her attorney Jeff Roberts told me last year they considered going after Nash. He asked me, where is the Hugh Duffy bat. I told him John Rogers bought it in an “AS IS” auction along with a lot of other stuff that came from the Dooley collection, including the signed Babe Ruth mitt that came from McGreevy’s bar. Jeff Roberts, Esq. told me that Nash was allowed to take some stuff from Katherine Dooley’s house and get it appraised but they were never told what those items were. Nash never came back with an appraisal. The law firm did give me a bill of sale of 54 items Peter Nash did buy for $25,000 from Katherine Dooley plus 2 scrap books from sportswriter John Drohan, that Nash paid $1,000 for. But the bill of sale does not include the Hugh Duffy bat nor other McGreevy items like the King Kelly bat, Cap Anson Bat and the signed Babe Ruth mitt and so on. They did give me an inventory list which had the Hugh Duffy listed but the bat was not on the bill of sale. Maybe this is why Peter Nash pleaded the fifth dozens of times. The bill of sale did include the 1898 Hugh Duffy trophy but why didn’t Nash show Robert Edward auctions the bill of sale of the Hugh Duffy trophy. Instead that trophy was part of the “AS IS” sale. One of the law firm’s attorney’s was 50% executor of Kathrine Dooley’s estate. The law firm has a fiduciary responsibility to tell all the heirs what happen with the memorabilia. I wonder if the FBI was searching for the Dooley items at John Rogers properties. She died in June of 2009 so I guess the statute of limitations are good. By the way Legendary Auctions sold the 1898 Hugh Duffy trophy for $36,000. the Hugh Duffy bat and King Kelly bat are now in The National Pastime Museum. legendary Auctions sold the Cap Anson bat in August of 2012 for $53,775.

Peter Nash you should know that just a few months ago that Katherine Dooley’s law firm was deposed. The lawyer said a lot of interesting thing about you such as you returning a baseball that was missing and giving it to the attorney at Katherine Dooley’s funeral.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #19 02-05-2014, 09:23 AM

Seizing the website is an interesting idea. I would definitely look into wage garnishment and possibly going after any ownership interest in his music.

Leon · #20 02-05-2014, 09:48 AM

Robert - have you considered Nash possibly not being able to give provenance on some items unless he confessed to fraudulently making them himself? Such as taking something like an old ribbon, attaching it to an old bat, and making something completely (new) out of something old? Kind of like 1 +1 = 3?

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #21 02-05-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Robert - have you considered Nash possibly not being able to give provenance on some items unless he confessed to fraudulently making them himself? Such as taking something like an old ribbon, attaching it to an old bat, and making something completely (new) out of something old? Kind of like 1 +1 = 3?

Or it could be stolen. One interesting thing would he having your lawyer research the statute of limitations, if you knew the state the items came from. If the clock has run out then there is no 5th amendment privilege.

Sunny · #22 02-05-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Robert - have you considered Nash possibly not being able to give provenance on some items unless he confessed to fraudulently making them himself? Such as taking something like an old ribbon, attaching it to an old bat, and making something completely (new) out of something old? Kind of like 1 +1 = 3?

You are correct, I just want Nash to tell me which stuff is real. For instance I have a King Kelly framed photo. Nash told me this framed photo was displayed at Mike �King� Kelly�s funeral in 1894 in Boston. How does Nash know this? I had the photo checked out by 2 photo experts and told me the photo is real and told me it�s a first print meaning it�s off the original negative. But the card stock is not a normal Hastings mount, but Hastings is written on the back. Did Nash have an unmounted paper print of Mike Kelly and create this framed photo? Only Peter Nash know and so far he�s not talking. But he has a lot to say on his Hauls of Shame website. Why can�t he talk about his own stuff?

I do know that Nash once bought a damaged Imperial Cabinet photo of King Kelly for $500 on eBay. Paid someone to have it repaired and then sold it for $46,400.

Sunny · #23 02-05-2014, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Seizing the website is an interesting idea. I would definitely look into wage garnishment and possibly going after any ownership interest in his music.

Lifson already went after the music Royalties and got nothing because the IRS got there first. The surprising thing is Nash�s Royalties are extremely very small less than $1,000 a year. I don�t know how Peter Nash makes money. Maybe he�s on John Rogers payroll? I don�t think he makes any money with the website because I don�t see any advertising. Maybe John Rogers pays Nash to run the website. I heard that John Rogers may have funded the Hauls of Shame website but I don�t know if that�s true. Rogers should speak for himself and not have Nash do his bidding for him on his website.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #24 02-05-2014, 10:24 AM

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Lifson already went after the music Royalties and got nothing because the IRS got there first. The surprising thing is Nash�s Royalties are extremely very small less than $1,000 a year. I don�t know how Peter Nash makes money. Maybe he�s on John Rogers payroll? I don�t think he makes any money with the website because I don�t see any advertising. Maybe John Rogers pays Nash to run the website. I heard that John Rogers may have funded the Hauls of Shame website but I don�t know if that�s true. Rogers should speak for himself and not have Nash do his bidding for him on his website.

I meant seizing the actual ownership interest in the music and not just the royalties. However it is possible that he does not own any of it.

ctownboy · #25 02-05-2014, 11:44 AM

If I were owed hundreds of thousands of dollars and was getting stiffed/led on by someone who owned a website that reported on fraud and payment didn't look like it was coming any time soon, I would find out who the hosting service of the website was and see if I could start my own web site.

I would call it "(name of the person) owes me money". I would give the background story and the legal case number and then put two running counters on; one for how many dyas I had been owed money and the second for how much money I was owed.

That way, when people Googled the name of that person they would see my site. Also, if there were ways to see what other sites that hosting service had, then people would see the fraud reporting site and my site reporting what the fraud reporter owed me.

It might not get my money back but I am pretty sure I would feel better about the situation,

David

Sunny · #26 02-05-2014, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I meant seizing the actual ownership interest in the music and not just the royalties. However it is possible that he does not own any of it.

Lifson tried that too. He talked to a company that bought music rights. Nash�s music rights are not worth much. Being that the IRS has a lien on it the money of the sale would go to the IRS. Maybe Peter Nash is collecting Welfare, Food Stamps and rent subsidy. I will find out soon enough through the courts.

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