Wildly Inconsistent PSA Grades

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your post was ridiculous. It uses the words “whitener” “solution” and “chemical process”

Tell me, is taking a nylon to remove wax from the surface of a card considered a whitener, a solution or a chemical process. I'm awaiting your answer.

Removing the stain is altering the card regardless of the process. What PSA and SGC are saying is that they can more easily detect stain removal if chemicals were involved. Whether or not you can fool the graders with your card altering skills doesn't change the fact that it's altering.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Removing the stain is altering the card regardless of the process. What PSA and SGC are saying is that they can more easily detect stain removal if chemicals were involved. Whether or not you can fool the graders with your card altering skills doesn't change the fact that it's altering.

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. I find your logic amusing.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. The more you do, the more foolish you look.

Thanks for calling me foolish.

You never mentioned removal of stains only being okay if on the front of the card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Thanks for calling me foolish.

You never mentioned removal of stains only being okay if on the front of the card.

No, but it was inferred when I said using a nylon to remove a wax stain. You can't remove wax stains from the back of a card with a nylon, therfore you knew what I was talking about.

Your statement was rather general, however. You said removing a wax stain was altering - no matter the front or the back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If the argument is about whether it's OK to remove a wax stain from the front, I am as big an opponent of alteration as anyone but this doesn't bother me at all. I don't agree with Dick Towle's broader definition of what's OK at all.

[vintagecpa]

I don't see how you could have a thread like this without showing the Art Shell that went from a PSA 8 to a 10. That isn't playing the grading lottery, that is finding the golden goose.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

This thread is a stain in the forum. Can someone please wipe it off?

[Ease]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If the argument is about whether it's OK to remove a wax stain from the front, I am as big an opponent of alteration as anyone but this doesn't bother me at all. I don't agree with Dick Towle's broader definition of what's OK at all.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on where to draw the line, I too don't fully agree with Towle's broad definiton. Is the line cleaning a card in water, how about water with an "all-natural" cleaner? What about glue or other residue removal?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. I find your logic amusing.

I think everyone here knows that wax stains on the front of a card can be removed... I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Baseball players get paid a lot more to go 2 for 3, and that's considered great success

Way off subject, but if a player went 2 for 3 (if referring to BA) then that would be amazing. We are just happy if they go 1 for 3, heck a career at 2 for 7 could even be HOF worthy if other stats line up.