New Discovery to the Hobby - E98 Old Put Back with an Orange Front!

[Tim Kindler]

Everyone,
Thanks for the compliments on this new discovery for Old Put E98s. I won it off the bay a few weeks ago. Pete C. was bidding against me and was kind enough to let it go and not bid me up too high. (Thanks Pete!, I really didn't know who I was bidding against until I talked with him a few days later) I told Pete on the phone that I wasn't 100% sure if it was even real and that I wouldn't know until it was in my hands. I'm not much of a gambler, but I decided to take a chance. As Leon mentioned, it is hard to be sure if something is real until you get it in your hands. Once I touched it, and put it up to other E98s and the four other Old Put Backs I own, I'm convinced it's the real deal. As Rob mentioned, it's definately an Orange, not a faded or discolored red. The stamp matches exactly with other authentic ones - color- font size (Though I don't have a loupe to look at it with.)
I think I am just going to leave it laminated. There are no bubbles or weak spots of the laminate and I'm definately not that big of a gambler! I just hope that SGC will grade it. Not that I need a TPG to be the above everyone else judge on authenticity, I think most of us can judge the authenticity of raw cards on our own, it's just that my entire Master Set is in SGC holders and I would like this one to go with them.

Like others have mentioned, the most exciting thing about our hobby is when new things come up! I even have a type that Leon- The King of Types- doesn't have!
Tim

[ullmandds]

C'mon Tim...a master e98 set++...but no loupe???

[Tim Kindler]

Alex,
"Old Put" was the nickname given to a Revolutionary War hero by the name of Isreal Putnam. His heroics and unwillingness to retreat led to his nickname. There is a railroad line between New York and Maryland, I believe?, that is named The Old Put line. I'm assuming that this railway line was named after Putnam. The stamp is for advertisement for a 5 Cent Cigar named OLD PUT. I know I , and I'm sure others, have looked for years to find information, advertisements, or boxes/wrappers of OLD PUT cigars without an success. The greatest mystery is were these just E98s with a cigar stamp advertising cigars or were they included with the cigars which would make them a cigar card??? This debate has raged for years, just like who even made E98s!

If any one has every seen anything about Old Put cigars, please post it on the board.
Thanks,
Tim

[Tim Kindler]

I know Pete, to those who hate TPG I am a sinner. I trust them... but I mainly just like the black background on SGC holders

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler

...I know I , and I'm sure others, have looked for years to find information, advertisements, or boxes/wrappers of OLD PUT cigars without an success...If any one has every seen anything about Old Put cigars, please post it on the board.

Thanks,

Tim

Found this online. Not mine.

http://www.cigarlabelart.com/auct%209/inner_10.htm

[Tim Kindler]

Eric,
Thanks for posting a picture of what I beleive would be the underside to the cover of a cigar box of Old Put Cigars???? The colors are beautiful on it and I wish I had one! I guess that is what Israel Putnam looked like.

dstudeba- As you mentioned, the seller had other, less significant cards for sale along with this Davis Old Put that were laminated the same way. Pete C. said he had contact with the seller about the same thing which also leads him to believe that not just this one card was targeted with laminate to cover up something fishy.

jcmtiger- Sorry about your Cobb fake, but it also backs up one of my points that it is a Davis that is laminated, not a Cobb, Wagner, Matewson, or one of the Big Boy E98s. If it was laminated to deceive, you would think it would be a very valuable one from the set, like a T205 Cobb.

Take Care,
Tim