OT: dogs being killed at the Sochi games. What we can do to help them

Peter_Spaeth · #1 02-09-2014, 09:54 AM

It's a ridiculous distinction. If people want to donate to animal rights organizations that's fine, people should give as they want, but to justify it by smugly suggesting the millions of needy people in the world can help themselves makes no sense at all.

honus94566 · #2 02-09-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a ridiculous distinction. If people want to donate to animal rights organizations that's fine, people should give as they want, but to justify it by smugly suggesting the millions of needy people in the world can help themselves makes no sense at all.

+1

Leon · #3 02-09-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a ridiculous distinction. If people want to donate to animal rights organizations that's fine, people should give as they want, but to justify it by smugly suggesting the millions of needy people in the world can help themselves makes no sense at all.

You can twist and turn it all you want but will 100% lose this argument. Not even close.

Of course you can make statements about all of the poverty and it's not their fault blah blah blah......but the dogs didn't do anything to deserve their fate. And no, some kids and adults can't fend for themselves, but the dogs are just different. Say what you want to and the more you say the deeper you will dig, only in my opinion.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 02-09-2014, 10:01 AM

I never said it wasn't a good cause, Leon. If that's what moves you, that's fine by me. Where I get offended is where someone says the dogs are MORE deserving of charity than suffering people.

Leon · #5 02-09-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I never said it wasn't a good cause, Leon. If that's what moves you, that's fine by me. Where I get offended is where someone says the dogs are MORE deserving of charity than suffering people.

They are BOTH deserving and I do my part to help the homeless every single week and have for almost 15 yrs.

That being said, and I know this is crazy, but I get at least (and probably more) sad seeing dogs that are abused as I do people. Dogs are unconditional best friends, as my rescued stray is literally sleeping on my arm right now.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 02-09-2014, 10:09 AM

I don't think it's crazy, I've owned and loved dogs, I was only reacting to the statement that people can help themselves.

Leon · #7 02-09-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think it's crazy, I've owned and loved dogs, I was only reacting to the statement that people can help themselves.

Some can some can't. But they have more of a chance than most stray dogs, again only imo.......

slidekellyslide · #8 02-09-2014, 10:22 AM

Good cause, but I doubt any of the money will actually save a single dog in Russia...they completely cut off a village near Sochi just to make a damn road. Ever seen a Russian dashcam video? They have no regard for life at all in that country. It's like having Jethro Bodine with nuclear weapons.

teetwoohsix · #9 02-09-2014, 10:28 AM

I think this is a righteous thing to do, to try to help helpless animals. No innocent life should suffer abuse, and these dogs do need to be helped. Hopefully the attention will bring about change for these dogs in Russia.

With that being said, I think some people have become desensitized to suffering humans, not only in this country but around the world. When people assume that all homeless people can help themselves, I wonder how much thought is actually put into this way of thinking.

If you are homeless, sleeping on a cardboard box under dirty blankets, in the same clothes you've worn for a month, waiting in line at a shelter (that's full to capacity) for your one charitable meal for the day- no family or friends- how do you "help yourself"?! Do you go and start turning in job applications, no phone number, address, dirty, tired, hungry? What do you do? WHO will hire you?

We, as a country, send billions of dollars in "foreign aid" to country's that hate our guts, but we turn a blind eye to our fellow AMERICAN HUMAN BEINGS who are in need. It makes me F@#$%^! sick.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Sincerely, Clayton

kcohen · #10 02-09-2014, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I never said it wasn't a good cause, Leon. If that's what moves you, that's fine by me. Where I get offended is where someone says the dogs are MORE deserving of charity than suffering people.

Who said THAT on this thread?

Peter_Spaeth · #11 02-09-2014, 10:17 AM

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Who said THAT on this thread?

It seemed a fair inference when someone posted let's start with people and two responses were essentially that people can help themselves but animals cannot.

drmondobueno · #12 02-09-2014, 10:35 AM

I would suggest you watch the Olberman lmk again. The show participants suggested the dogs reacted like pets , not feral animls. A factoid was thrown out about people being relicated by the government in order to build the facilities. It was suggested the dogs were staying where they used to live. Why did the dogs not go with their former masters? And on and on...

This just smacks of big business, big government, big television taking what is wanted and ignoring the rest. We dont know what happened to the people, if anything. But we do know what is being done to the dogs.

My wife and I have five rescued cats, the only reason we don't have dogs at this time. Our local community is trying to raise several hundred thousand dollars to construct a safe, warm animal shelter. In an area with a total population of under 25,000 it will not happen soon but it will happen.

I can tell you people in this small area with its very limited funds do get better attention than animals. We dont euthanize people.

Keith Temple

kcohen · #13 02-09-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seemed a fair inference when someone posted let's start with people and two responses were essentially that people can help themselves but animals cannot.

Your inference is pretty far out if you deduced that I said that dogs are MORE deserving of charity than humans. In any case, it's pretty dicey to establish a "needometer" to gauge what is more of a priority for charitable giving. With limited resources, we all must, unfortunately, pick and choose.

Peter_Spaeth · #14 02-09-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kcohen

Your inference is pretty far out you deduced that I said that dogs are MORE deserving of charity than humans. In any case, it's pretty dicey to establish a "needometer" to gauge what is more of a priority for charitable giving. With limited resources, we all must, unfortunately, pick and choose.

Yes, I agree and said so, people should give as their hearts dictate. My dispute was with the notion being offered to justify giving to animal rights that people can fend for themselves. I did not bring that into the picture, you did.

Maddog · #15 02-09-2014, 10:23 AM

Well count me in. Just signed petition and sent $$.
I too will be passing this on to all my contacts and have my kids send to their friends and classmates.
An animal gives us unconditional love and affection. Personally, all of my pets were more a part of my family than some members OF my family.
Just ask the 3 that still reside in marble vases on my fireplace

novakjr · #16 02-09-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddog

Well count me in. Just signed petition and sent $$.
I too will be passing this on to all my contacts and have my kids send to their friends and classmates.
An animal gives us unconditional love and affection. Personally, all of my pets were more a part of my family than some members OF my family.
Just ask the 3 that still reside in marble vases on my fireplace

Same for all of my family's pets...We always had dogs growing up. I recall at one time there were 4. Before my mother had passed last year from cancer, she requested that she be buried with 3 of them, and that my father(when he passes), be buried with the other 3. Or 2, depending on if Duke has passed by then. Dad's in pretty good shape, and Duke is a 10 year old, 125+ lb, American Bulldog who is aging very quickly at this point. It'll break my dad's heart when he passes. He was my mom's protector and best-friend(even to the point where people weren't allowed near her at times, when she was sick). He's been as depressed as the rest of us since my mother's passing, and he and my father have really bonded over it...

Every person deserves that type of bond, and so does every dog..

Maddog · #17 02-09-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

Same for all of my family's pets...We always had dogs growing up. I recall at one time there were 4. Before my mother had passed last year from cancer, she requested that she be buried with 3 of them, and that my father(when he passes), be buried with the other 3. Or 2, depending on if Duke has passed by then. Dad's in pretty good shape, and Duke is a 10 year old, 125+ lb, American Bulldog who is aging very quickly at this point. It'll break my dad's heart when he passes. He was my mom's protector and best-friend(even to the point where people weren't allowed near her at times, when she was sick). He's been as depressed as the rest of us since my mother's passing, and he and my father have really bonded over it...

Every person deserves that type of bond, and so does every dog..

Dave, same here. When my Mom passed away her 3 favorite cats went with her. It really is strange the bonds we develop with our pets. As they say, dogs are mans best friend.

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