Is this T206 Sweet Caporal Magee w/bat missing the scroll overstrike..possible scrap?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Clayton, you may have struck upon a good answer that I hadn't considered, since this Magee is currently grouped in the series that contains the Sweet Cap Overstrike.

Has Magee been found with all the possible backs in its 350/460 group? For example, are there American Beauty, Drum, Sovereign350, SweetCap350, and Peidmont350 cards known (backs which are not present in the 460 series only group)?

Brian

First, an answer to your last ? ......Magee (bat) is found with at least 17 different T206 backs (350 & 460).

All the 350/460 series Sweet Caporal 460, Factory 30 cards were overprinted with Factory #42 and shipped to the Durham, NC plant for insertion into Sweet Cap
cigarette packs.
It's my understanding that Sweet Cap 460, Factory 30 cards were not shipped to Factory #30 in NYC.

Of course, your Magee appears to contradict this. Very interesting card you have there....and, I would say a very rare one at that.

Here's an offset Factory #42 overprinted scroll, revealing the original Factory #30 bottom line.




TED Z

[ullmandds]

I think Dick Towle removed the scroll...the card is altered!!!

[iwantitiwinit]

If the missing overstrike is in fact the answer you would think the other cards on the same printed sheet the magee was printed on are also missing that overstrike. Wonder if there are specimens of other players missing the same overstrike though Ted's explanation if correct (and he knows better than I) that Sweet Cap 460, Factory 30 cards were not shipped to Factory #30 in NYC might tell us its not a missing overstrike situation.

[mrvster]

Brian....

Clayton nailed it.......the card looks like it missed the factory over strike design ornate bar and factory 42 designation strike at quality control in production....card is obviously factory cut(altho beat to hell).....and is totally plausible to miss an overstrike( similar to the yellow brown printer scraps with the s.c. 460 f. #30 design).....not sure about how amer litho dealt with the overstrike and shipping???....I haven't read anything on it but interesting Ted....

we see the "missed" strike like Ted showed....I haven't seen any factory issued missing the strike completely ??

these are just my theories....no fact to back it up...

[brianp-beme]

Thanks for the responses so far guys...to me it seems like the missing overstrike is the most plausible explaination for the card, but would like to hear more. I changed the title of the thread to entice and seduce any others who have not already fallen under sway of such heady matters.

Brian

[Runscott]

I'm going to be a voice of dissension here. I agree with Ted and the OP - this card should not exist. Since it does, I'll guess that it was NOT factory-cut, and that it was never intended to leave the factory. We see a lot of beaters like this that we assume are factory-cut because they look just like a factory-cut beater would look. But they also look like a decently-trimmed beater would look.

[atx840]

This is likely the case Scott.

The scraps knowns as the "yellow browns" are a group of 34 cards (including Magee) that we see grouped together across many 460 brands. I believe the finished sheets of these 34 cards were printed as F30 but never cut and packed up, they were sent over to the OP print press first.

One/two of those sheets was thrown out before all the front ink layers were applied and the back F42 OP, giving us the yellow brown scraps.

It's also likely one/two finished sheets also never hit the OP press and we get natural F30s that weren't intended to be packed up.

Here is a yellow brown Magee with a F30 back.