Interesting info on REA lot 41 Four Base Hits card

h2oya311 · #1 04-04-2014, 11:21 PM

I'm no "facial recognition expert", but it does look a lot like Daly, at least compared to the image that Scott provided.

bmarlowe1 · #2 04-05-2014, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by h2oya311

I'm no "facial recognition expert", but it does look a lot like Daly, at least compared to the image that Scott provided.

Derek - I don't doubt that in your mind he resembles Daly. If that is the case, probably others also feel that way. However, with all due respect, that type of judgement is often wrong (you can read about it in my posted SABR link).

As for a comparison with Tom Daly, see below. Daly's ear is noticeably smaller (relative to the size of his head) from lobe to top of the ear.

The blue arrow points to a horizontal crease across Daly's chin (this is sometimes called a mentolabial groove). It is a persistent characteristic that some people have and some don't. For this who have it, it may be closer to or farther from the lower lip. The guy on the card doesn't have it, but he does appear to have a dimple just below hi lower lip that Daly does not have.

Daly has a turned up nose, the guy on the card does not.

These differences are significant and distinguish these men as two different persons.

Let me add that the man on the card does not appear on either the 1887 nor the 1888 Chi NL composites.

ctownboy · #3 04-05-2014, 12:33 AM

Comparing the person on the initial card being talked about and players on that team composite, I would say the player is Sullivan.

Sullivan doesn't have a mustache, has a nose like Daly and parts his hair on the right side.

If I am right then it is just dumb luck because I am neither a facial recognition expert nor an insurance salesman...

David

oldjudge · #4 04-05-2014, 01:00 AM

As might have been expected, the same mistake shows up in the Yum Yum set

oldjudge · #5 04-05-2014, 01:19 AM

The question that now remains is who this image is. The images in the Four base Hit set were shared with the Yum Yum and G&B sets. With the small number of images in the set, one wouldn't think that identification could be screwed up, but in at least two cases now it was. To mess up Van Haltren is somewhat understandable, he was a new player to the league. To mess up Anson shows that whoever did these cards was not a baseball fan.
The Four Base Hit set also included actors/ actresses and maybe other personalities. It is entirely possible that this image is not of a baseball player. I was one of the people who said that if this was the image of another baseball player other than Van Haltren then the price should not be affected much. However, if this is the image of someone other than a baseball player then the value would be significantly affected. After all, the rule for 19th century cards is that when there is a conflict between the image and the name on the card, the image determines the card's identity. The Williamson image with an Anson name is a Williamson card. If this image is of an actor, then it is an actor card, not a Van Haltren card, and it is relatively worthless.

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