So much for REA disclosure on T206s...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Kevin didn't win the card.

Yes but did he bid on it? That's the issue here.

[Runscott]

I'm with the guys who think this is not trimmed; however, it makes no sense that REA would mention trimming unless they could see clear evidence.

What I'm waiting for: REA to sell an autograph with a JSA letter, and say that they think it might be a fake.

The above makes me think that they feel comfortable with someone on staff giving opinions on cards and overriding PSA, but don't have the same in-house expertise on autographs. I think all AH's should have some expertise on autographs, especially when they are depending on JSA or PSA.

[E93]

Scott,
I think there is a difference. A card still has value, even if it is trimmed. An autograph does not if it is fake.
JimB

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm with the guys who think this is not trimmed; however, it makes no sense that REA would mention trimming unless they could see clear evidence.

What I'm waiting for: REA to sell an autograph with a JSA letter, and say that they think it might be a fake.

The above makes me think that they feel comfortable with someone on staff giving opinions on cards and overriding PSA, but don't have the same in-house expertise on autographs. I think all AH's should have some expertise on autographs, especially when they are depending on JSA or PSA.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by E93

Scott,
I think there is a difference. A card still has value, even if it is trimmed. An autograph does not if it is fake.
JimB

Jim, well-put - I like the cut of your jib.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes but did he bid on it? That's the issue here.

I would bet good money the answer is yes and most likely not an opening bid either. Most of the time when Kevin takes the time to blast a card with its own thread its a card he's tried to buy...nothing new. Funny? Yes..new not so much.

[glchen]

One thing to note on the PSA cards with a number grade, theoretically PSA has a money back guarantee, so if the trim seems too obvious, the buyer could always try to send the card back to PSA and try to get the price he paid to REA back from PSA.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I would bet good money the answer is yes and most likely not an opening bid either. Most of the time when Kevin takes the time to blast a card with its own thread its a card he's tried to buy...nothing new. Funny? Yes..new not so much.

You know what, the fact that this is driving you absolutely nuts gives me incredible satisfaction. Now ladies and gentlemen, sit back and enjoy the vast array of cartoons, past emails, ancient old Net54 threads, and everything else this guy has hoarded away in his computer. I wonder if you really know how silly you look sometimes when you resort to those tactics, shows pretty poor form if you ask me. There is no disputing the fact that I can't stand you, and vice versa, but why don't you take it off the board? There is no taking the high road with someone like you, I guess you have plenty of idle time to kill....P.S.- I believe if I was going to spend $5500 plus, I would settle for a centered and non trimmed Joss....

[japhi]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You know what, the fact that this is driving you absolutely nuts gives me incredible satisfaction. Now ladies and gentlemen, sit back and enjoy the vast array of cartoons, past emails, ancient old Net54 threads, and everything else this guy has hoarded away in his computer. I wonder if you really know how silly you look sometimes when you resort to those tactics, shows pretty poor form if you ask me. There is no disputing the fact that I can't stand you, and vice versa, but why don't you take it off the board? There is no taking the high road with someone like you, I guess you have plenty of idle time to kill....P.S.- I believe if I was going to spend $5500 plus, I would settle for a centered and non trimmed Joss....

I don't have a horse in this race, why not answer Leon's question...."did you bid on this card". Your last post looks like a pretty big deflection.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You know what, the fact that this is driving you absolutely nuts gives me incredible satisfaction. Now ladies and gentlemen, sit back and enjoy the vast array of cartoons, past emails, ancient old Net54 threads, and everything else this guy has hoarded away in his computer. I wonder if you really know how silly you look sometimes when you resort to those tactics, shows pretty poor form if you ask me. There is no disputing the fact that I can't stand you, and vice versa, but why don't you take it off the board? There is no taking the high road with someone like you, I guess you have plenty of idle time to kill....P.S.- I believe if I was going to spend $5500 plus, I would settle for a centered and non trimmed Joss....

Sorry you didn’t win the Joss card Kevin there’s always next time.

[wonkaticket]

Kevin all joking and chop busting aside and yes I know were not fans of each other etc. If in fact I falsely accused you of bashing and bidding which you have done prior. I extend the following to you in terms of a reconciliation. If you’re ok with contacting someone from REA and telling them to reach out to Leon confirming I was wrong and that you didn’t bid on the card. I will issue you a humble public apology and donate a $500 to a charity of your choice.

Cheers,

John

[Peter_Spaeth]

That sounds like a lawyer who asks a question only because he knows the answer.

[wonkaticket]

Pete, not a 100% sure but in this situation happy to play the averages I'm pretty sure my $500 is safe given the track record. I'm sort of with Leon on this if anyone asked if I bid on something I could easily just say yes or no....not a hard question to answer.

However with that said I'm also very happy and willing to pony up and admit I was wrong on my guess should that need to be done.

The core of the issue. Many past and present members have tried this tactic slam a card, seller or item while bidding in hopes of driving away folks nothing new. Oddly enough it doesn't work in fact seems to draw more attention to the items. I think its a lame tactic and isn't in good form since we are on the topic of good form. In a hobby filled with fraud and doubt on certain items why create more doubt and issues with a seller or item that aren't really there or you're not sure of? Just so you can win an item? Then what when you get the item it's now all good no issues? Just seems silly.

Cheers,

John

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

If you’re ok with contacting someone from REA and telling them to reach out to Leon confirming I was wrong and that you didn’t bid on the card. I will issue you a humble public apology and donate a $500 to a charity of your choice.

Cheers,

John

I am still waiting to hear how this turns out...but I'm not holding my breath.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You know what, the fact that this is driving you absolutely nuts gives me incredible satisfaction. Now ladies and gentlemen, sit back and enjoy the vast array of cartoons, past emails, ancient old Net54 threads, and everything else this guy has hoarded away in his computer. I wonder if you really know how silly you look sometimes when you resort to those tactics, shows pretty poor form if you ask me. There is no disputing the fact that I can't stand you, and vice versa, but why don't you take it off the board? There is no taking the high road with someone like you, I guess you have plenty of idle time to kill....P.S.- I believe if I was going to spend $5500 plus, I would settle for a centered and non trimmed Joss....

Um, with the search engines it's pretty easy to find just about anything on Net 54. If you said that in a post in the past, your post can be easily found and some people tend to have long memories. And the question is simple, did you make an offer on the card back in the day before it was consigned to REA. That is a yes or no answer. You can yell all you want but your history is out there.