An ebay seller issue.....

JasonD08 · #1 05-07-2014, 09:48 AM

Bobby

How can you "rip" people a new one when they have to hit the purchase button. You make no sense in your statement. Are you eluding that they sell altered, reprint items, or just take money and do not deliver product? To me those fall into the perimeters of "ripping" off. Please elaborate.

Jason

vintagetoppsguy · #2 05-07-2014, 10:12 AM

Give the OP a break. To say his entire post makes no sense is ridiculous. He transposed one word. Replace the word "buyer" with the word "seller" and his post makes perfect sense.

That said, there are always 2 sides to every story. I'm sure the other two involved will tell their side as they are board members.

However, if it happened as the way the OP described - raising the price after it was already agreed upon - then that is pretty crappy.

bobbyw8469 · #3 05-07-2014, 10:18 AM

Quote:

However, if it happened as the way the OP described - raising the price after it was already agreed upon - then that is pretty crappy.

+1

JasonD08 · #4 05-07-2014, 10:33 AM

I am sure it did not. We will see what hosta has to say. My money is on irishhosta and yes the OP's statement did make no sense. Read it again.

the 'stache · #5 05-07-2014, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Bobby
You make no sense in your statement. Are you eluding that they sell altered, reprint items, or just take money and do not deliver product?
Jason

The irony here is palpable.

I have never dealt with the seller in question, so I have no vested interest one way or another. But it is my opinion that they are purposely misleading potential buyers on the Old Mill-backed T206 card, and that makes a very bad first impression, indeed. And if it is true that they have "far more knowledge about vintage sportscards than all the posters in this thread combined", they should really be ashamed of themselves.

JasonD08 · #6 05-07-2014, 03:54 PM

Who is calling names? Mario, I am not kicking you about anything�..trust me if I did you would not be posting. You are correct, I do not know you from Adam, but you came on here and pressed an opinion that I am certian that is flipped and not entirely accurate. So when I post my opinion you call it name calling or kicking? Not true Sir. I call nobody names. Let's keep this to cards and let people respond that have actually done business with irishhosta. Again, I have no dog in this fight, but I will not be silent and let someone who is chapped because a price did not go their way to sit here and down-grade a good seller. Atleast they grade accurately and are honest sellers. Also I understand you paid your dues with grad school and all�..alot of us are educated. But we all know that does not mean anything when it comes to character and running a business. You must be a banker, stock trader, or politician.

Take care,
Jason

Cardboard Junkie · #7 05-07-2014, 03:59 PM

I don't think trying to sell a black old mill back as a brown qualifies as "honest".

calvindog · #8 05-07-2014, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

I don't think trying to sell a black old mill back as a brown qualifies as "honest".

Wait --

Now it's ok to sell a black Old Mil as a brown one.

the 'stache · #9 05-07-2014, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Who is calling names? Mario, I am not kicking you about anything…..trust me if I did you would not be posting. You are correct, I do not know you from Adam, but you came on here and pressed an opinion that I am certian that is flipped and not entirely accurate. So when I post my opinion you call it name calling or kicking? Not true Sir. I call nobody names. Let's keep this to cards and let people respond that have actually done business with irishhosta. Again, I have no dog in this fight, but I will not be silent and let someone who is chapped because a price did not go their way to sit here and down-grade a good seller. Atleast they grade accurately and are honest sellers. Also I understand you paid your dues with grad school and all…..alot of us are educated. But we all know that does not mean anything when it comes to character and running a business. You must be a banker, stock trader, or politician.

Take care,
Jason

Jason, for somebody with "no dog in this fight", you sure appear to be taking this whole thing quite personally. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you at all. Please know that. But it is my opinion that you need to take a deep breath, step back, and look at this dispassionately. You were not at all privy to the communication between Mario and this dealer. It may very well be that the seller, whom you hold in high regard, did indeed back out of a deal.

If this dealer agreed to terms, and then raised the prices after the fact, it matters not if the deal was negotiated off of Ebay. A handshake agreement, at least in my mind, is binding. There may be no written rule governing this type of transaction, but I believe that is the ethical way to do business. A man is only as good as their word.

Secondly, you may have had nothing but good transactions with the seller in question. That's great. It appears from this topic that Mario did not, and your having a great history with this seller does not preclude them from having bad transactions with other buyers. As has already been pointed out, an auction they currently have on Ebay is using blatantly misleading verbiage in an effort to dupe somebody into grossly overspending for a baseball card.

I do not know you. I do not know the seller. I do not know Mario. Right now, I am simply absorbing everything that has been presented in this discussion. One thing is clear, however: the aforementioned auction, in my opinion, lends credence to what Mario has posted.

the 'stache · #10 05-07-2014, 05:50 PM

Furthermore, I am more than a little punchy right now (no sleep at all last night), but, should I be taking umbrage with the comment about bankers, stock traders and politicians? I have been a licensed stock broker for seven plus years, and I promise you, I am as ethical a person as you will ever meet.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 05-07-2014, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Furthermore, I am more than a little punchy right now (no sleep at all last night), but, should I be taking umbrage with the comment about bankers, stock traders and politicians? I have been a licensed stock broker for seven plus years, and I promise you, I am as ethical a person as you will ever meet.

Every one suspects himself of one of the cardinal virtues -- F. Scott Fitzgerald.

the 'stache · #12 05-07-2014, 06:24 PM

Quote:

In addition to the Brown/Black color, because all known Brown Old Mill backs are hand-cut and this card is factory cut, it cannot be considered a Brown Old Mill.

No, it cannot be considered a Brown Old Mill because it is not a Brown Old Mill. How is that difficult to understand?

From the moment the card's advertising was inked, it was a Black Old Mill back. Period. That was never going to change. Never never never. How the card was cut is irrelevant here, and the seller, who has all this experience, knows this. Yet they are employing word games within their auction in an effort to deceive possible buyers. There can be no other explanation.

1880nonsports · #13 05-07-2014, 07:04 PM

adding the word "not" in the title is an expressly prohibited form of key word spamming.

Runscott · #14 05-07-2014, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Every one suspects himself of one of the cardinal virtues -- F. Scott Fitzgerald.

If you have to practice cardinal sins, drop wrath and pride and go with sloth and gluttony -- F., Scott

Peter_Spaeth · #15 05-07-2014, 05:54 PM

The actual description doesn't seem misleading to me, it clearly states it is not a Brown Old Mill, and explains why. One could reasonably find the whole thing unsavory I suppose, because some minor printing difference likely isn't worth any premium, but that is different from misleading. The title is another matter. I suppose their thinking might be that it's just there to attract "hits" and that anyone interested will read the description. But they could have accomplished the same thing by adding the word "not" in front of brown.

Deertick · #16 05-07-2014, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Who is calling names? Mario, I am not kicking you about anything�..trust me if I did you would not be posting.~~~~~ But we all know that does not mean anything when it comes to character and running a business. You must be a banker, stock trader, or politician.

Take care,
Jason

"sore ass spoiled child" might be considered calling names in some circles. As well, the context in which you proffer a guess as to his profession may be taken the wrong way.
That may be what he is eluding to.
The irony is palpable.

bobbyw8469 · #17 05-07-2014, 03:56 PM

Quote:

The irony here is palpable.

come again?

chernieto · #18 05-07-2014, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache

The irony here is palpable.

I have never dealt with the seller in question, so I have no vested interest one way or another. But it is my opinion that they are purposely misleading potential buyers on the Old Mill-backed T206 card, and that makes a very bad first impression, indeed. And if it is true that they have "far more knowledge about vintage sportscards than all the posters in this thread combined", they should really be ashamed of themselves.

+1
Amazed that some folks here could over look that.

Cardboard Junkie · #19 05-07-2014, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chernieto

+1
Amazed that some folks here could over look that.

Actually, it doesn't amaze me at all. Dave.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Beware the "additional fee" on eBay invoices	t206hound	Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions	13	03-18-2013 02:14 PM
Is Ebay seller "tbarlage" a member of this board??	Archive	Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions	6	07-16-2008 08:01 PM
Beware Ebay sellers - "Fantasy" Vintage Buyer	Archive	Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions	24	02-04-2008 09:38 AM
Did you buy a W517 from eBay seller "run4urdreams" in June? If so, please read	Archive	Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions	3	07-22-2007 02:54 PM
Beware ebay seller "justizzle3". Our scans got stolen.	Archive	Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions	42	02-06-2006 07:52 PM