An ebay seller issue.....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

Don't sweat it, Mario. It looks like Jason and the Wentz family are buddies with these kinds of comments. When people drop down to name calling and other similar insults, that's usually when they don't really having any backing behind their arguments and are trying to divert the thread elsewhere. If irishhosta did back out of an agreed deal and then up the BIN price, that's a very poor business practice and bad customer service.

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

[Andretti83]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

Absolutely nothing, in fact I would consider doing business with them in the future. I'm simply asking them to 'honor' a price we had agreed to.

Unfortunately for buyer and seller, there was a misinterpretation of the negotiated selling price and concerns have been voiced here. I have NO issues with their customer service or contact emails.

Mario Borgerding

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[Cardboard Junkie]

Sweet deal on that "brown" Old Mill, ain't it?

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Sweet deal on that "brown" Old Mill, ain't it?

Are you referring to the one with the black back? Probably just an honest oversight

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by chernieto

Are you referring to the one with the black back? Probably just an honest oversight

The listing used to call it a brown old mill card. I emailed them and they changed the wording in the description.

You didn't read the listing or you wouldn't have posted your comment.

Kevin

[Section103]

I don't have a strong opinion on IrishHosta either way. Nice cards, quite overpriced, good service.

Im bemused about the idea that V61s are about to take off in price. Im curious what they see.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

The listing used to call it a brown old mill card. I emailed them and they changed the wording in the description.

You didn't read the listing or you wouldn't have posted your comment.

Kevin

Kevin,

I wouldn't have posted my comment if I hadn't checked the listing
I saw the listing this morning and read it based on your earlier post. I appreciate you said something to them about it. Perhaps you should ask someone before stating they didn't do something when you don't have any knowledge of whether that is so.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1910-19...item3f26224a63

The words "old mill brown" are used in the title. I admit I haven't been on this board as long as many of you. I am impressed by the knowledge and dedication of numerous participants here. My understand has been there's
A) black old mill backs ranked 25th & 29th in scarcity
B) brown ones rare: ranked 2nd in back scarcity
C)apparently there is, thanks to this seller, a new grouping between black and brown, but listed as brown in the title.
And one can buy it from this seller for $2,500 bucks or an agreed upon best offer. Perhaps they changed there wording based on whatever you emailed them - but it still says "brown old mill" in the listing & their intention seems to remain the same: sell the card as if it is brown even though it is not.
Thanks
Paul C.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by chernieto

Kevin,
I wouldn't have posted my comment if I hadn't checked the listing
I saw the listing this morning and read it based on your earlier post. I appreciate you said something to them about it. Perhaps you should ask someone before stating they didn't do something when you don't have any knowledge of whether that is so.

Welp...you said, its probably just an oversight, which clearly it is not for a couple reasons. If you read it, how can you say its an oversight in one post and then turn right around and say its dishonest the next post?

I really don't think I missed anything here. Your response indicates that you didn't read the whole listing. Not to throw a punch back but, maybe you can ask if your post is clear to other readers before posting it.

Originally Posted by chernieto

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1910-19...item3f26224a63

The words "old mill brown" are used in the title. I admit I haven't been on this board as long as many of you. I am impressed by the knowledge and dedication of numerous participants here. My understand has been there's
A) black old mill backs ranked 25th & 29th in scarcity
B) brown ones rare: ranked 2nd in back scarcity
C)apparently there is, thanks to this seller, a new grouping between black and brown, but listed as brown in the title.
And one can buy it from this seller for $2,500 bucks or an agreed upon best offer. Perhaps they changed there wording based on whatever you emailed them - but it still says "brown old mill" in the listing & their intention seems to remain the same: sell the card as if it is brown even though it is not.
Thanks
Paul C.

Lets add a few more in there:

Naming convention of Brand, then back color is pretty common.
Here is a perfect example: http://t206resource.com/Checklist%20Main.html

Thebo played for the "Browns", not the "Brown". It is conveniently added right after the old mill. This is not a coincidence.

Kevin

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Andretti83

Absolutely nothing, in fact I would consider doing business with them in the future. I'm simply asking them to 'honor' a price we had agreed to.

Unfortunately for buyer and seller, there was a misinterpretation of the negotiated selling price and concerns have been voiced here. I have NO issues with their customer service or contact emails.

Mario Borgerding

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I understand your position. I was responding to Gary's post regarding the Wentz family. Defending a well-respected seller who we've had great transactions with for over a decade, seems both reasonable and appropriate.

Not knocking you for posting publicly your side of the story - many forum members think that resolving transaction issues by using pressure from the forum, is the best approach to doing business. I used to sometimes publicly out forum members who backed out on deals, either as sellers or buyers, but it's not effective - their enemies will jump in to attack them, as is happening in this thread, and their friends will jump in and attack me. Ends up being a lose-lose for everyone involved, and as far as the transaction is concerned, nothing changes.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

What is wrong with being buddies with the Wentz family?

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

Good, as I consider myself buddies with the Wentz family as well, even though anyone other than Irishhosta is irrelevant to this discussion.

I also agree with you that name-calling and below the belt insults are inappropriate.

And finally, I'm sure you agree with me that there are two sides to every story, and that we are probably missing some details. I sincerely hope that the OP and Irishhosta manage to work this out in the background.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Good, as I consider myself buddies with the Wentz family as well, even though anyone other than Irishhosta is irrelevant to this discussion.

I also agree with you that name-calling and below the belt insults are inappropriate.

And finally, I'm sure you agree with me that there are two sides to every story, and that we are probably missing some details. I sincerely hope that the OP and Irishhosta manage to work this out in the background.

Yes, I agree with that. I've also purchased items from ebay from irishhosta, and never had any problems. They probably also have their side of the story, which they may or may not decide to share. As you said, hopefully, they will work things out.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by glchen

Scott, there is nothing wrong with being buddies or defending Irishhosta. However, there is a problem with name calling and below the belt insults. It only makes the one being defended look worse.

+1

On a separate note: I would also be very offended if a seller backed out of a previously agreed upon price. Sellers should honor their commitments and it seems as though this one did not.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

+1

On a separate note: I would also be very offended if a seller backed out of a previously agreed upon price. Sellers should honor their commitments and it seems as though this one did not.

If this is the item, it appears as if offers were made but not accepted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-V61-NEI...item3cd1f153c1

So was it an off-eBay transaction the was being attempted?

[RGold]

I have bought lots of cards from the Wentz brothers, directly or through their various eBay entities. They are one of the most knowledgeable sellers in the hobby. They have always responded to my questions, sent via regular email or through the eBay message system, in a timely and polite manner.

They are not bashful about asking high prices for premium quality cards. While there have been cards that we were not able to agree on price, they have always negotiated with me professionally.

There have been times when we settled on a price for a card that was listed on eBay, and I have offered to buy the card in a private sale so that they could save the fee. They always tell me it's no big deal and to just do the transaction on eBay. Also, they insist on sending my purchases Fedex overnight even though I usually tell them that there is no rush.

I mention this because I just cannot imagine that they would renege on a sale for $50.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Good war stories, "RG". On a serious note, I would add that on a couple of occasions Michael went out of his way to respond at length when I asked him his opinion about whether significant cards I was considering might be altered (not his cards). He is indeed, as mentioned, extremely knowledgeable.

[Runscott]

As a side note, there are a lot of honest sellers who rarely, if ever, post in these forums. I've spoken with some of them and in all cases (seriously, ALL), they feel that there is no benefit to responding to these sorts of posts, but in order to ignore such posts, they also have to pretty much never post about anything on any subject. This is also true for other hobby forums other than vintage baseball. Of course, there are also dishonest sellers who do not post, for many of the same reasons.