Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

MW1 · #1 05-26-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ofrogers

I've been researching this and determined PSA is covering up they've been compromised..
The fonts vary when the .5 grades started..Some barcodes are right on the border..The spacing is not consistant on every card..I have a 52 set (almost) and the flips vary..
Here's a Mantle from the CAL Craiglist scam..Unless you held this card in your hand, you couldn't tell..It's a type A with the missing border pixal, or very close..
The background is a bit light but hard from a scan or picture to tell..

LMK what you think..Attachment 145926

The fonts and positioning of the text are completely wrong on that label. Not at all convincing to me, even when the portions of the cracked PSA holder are obscured with a same-color background or cropped altogether.

Edited to add: the card itself also looks fake.

MW1 · #2 05-26-2014, 11:59 AM

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I've been researching this and determined PSA is covering up they've been compromised..

How? Someone cracked open a PSA holder and inserted a fake flip and fake card. Where's the cover-up? If anything, PSA has been very proactive in designing a new, more secure holder that effectively puts the Craigslist scammers and their ilk out of business.

Leon · #3 05-26-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MW1

... If anything, PSA has been very proactive in designing a new, more secure holder that effectively puts the Craigslist scammers and their ilk out of business.

And that is a great thing....Putting scammers out of business is the next best thing to putting them in jail.

MattyC · #4 05-26-2014, 12:14 PM

The real villains here are the scammers making the fakes; the thread's title seems to vilify and besmirch the TPG. Of course TPG's can be proactive in terms of educating their customers as to what to look for, and where to buy, and working with authorities-- and PSA does some of that right on its website...

PSA on fake slabs

At least to me, the stance taken on that link doesn't seem like a coverup.

I've also spoken with PSA and SGC reps about fake or breached holders in the past, and both companies were friendly and educational; so they are forthcoming when a customer calls or visits and asks about the issue.

But it is also incumbent upon the collector to be selective in terms of where and from whom he buys. For example, if you go to a Rolex store, odds are pretty good you're getting a real Rolex. If you buy from an REA, a Goodwin, a Tony Arnold, a 707, a trusted collector, and too many others to mention, one is much more likely to be pleased with their purchase than if they bought from a dude selling used mattresses on Craig's List or eBay.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-26-2014, 01:10 PM

PSA might consider expanding the webpage Matt posted to include information about fake flips, examples of what to look for in terms of fonts and spacing, etc. When this first became an issue it was relatively easy to spot fakes by their crappy looking fonts but it seems the scammers are getting better. And with the many generations of PSA flips, with varying fonts and alignments, the fakes are not always immediately obvious, to me anyhow.

MattyC · #6 05-26-2014, 01:24 PM

Peter that is a great idea; would be very good on their part.

ofrogers · #7 05-26-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PSA might consider expanding the webpage Matt posted to include information about fake flips, examples of what to look for in terms of fonts and spacing, etc. When this first became an issue it was relatively easy to spot fakes by their crappy looking fonts but it seems the scammers are getting better. And with the many generations of PSA flips, with varying fonts and alignments, the fakes are not always immediately obvious, to me anyhow.

I agree with you Peter..I called SCG about a Ruth I had..He said the reason they didn't put cert numbers out there was fraud. You won't see this with Beckett holder, too strong...I want my 52 high commons raw. So, I broke a PSA Bob Chipman out. it was easy..The case still looks perfect..

ofrogers · #8 05-26-2014, 01:55 PM

I'm seriously considering going completely raw on my 52 highs..So I may be selling a few PSA 3's 4's and 5's..Ones I don't want to crack out and put in an album..
The only other way is to cross everyhthing to Beckett..I'm done with PSA..

ofrogers · #9 05-26-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MW1

The fonts and positioning of the text are completely wrong on that label. Not at all convincing to me, even when the portions of the cracked PSA holder are obscured with a same-color background or cropped altogether.

Edited to add: the card itself also looks fake.

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

MW1 · #10 05-26-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ofrogers

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

The flip on this card matches zero of the previous or current PSA labels. The published PSA guidelines would be a good place to start when being offered this type of bogus card. Even for those collectors who cannot discriminate between a real and fake PSA flip, there are too many other problems with cards like this one to even consider a purchase.

ergoism · #11 05-26-2014, 03:20 PM

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.

Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

MW1 · #12 05-26-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ergoism

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.

Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

ergoism · #13 05-26-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MW1

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

MW1 · #14 05-26-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ergoism

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

No. They're not. Those are real PSA holders that have been opened and resealed.

MattyC · #15 05-26-2014, 03:36 PM

All those fake Mantles have the "crisp" focused Yankee logo. And preternaturally white borders. As was just said, gotta be VERY careful and picky with where we buy.

bobbyw8469 · #16 05-26-2014, 03:39 PM

WOW! If those are all fakes, then I guess I am fooled.....some good looking cards, and I dont see the frosting at all...

tiger8mush · #17 05-26-2014, 03:42 PM

Are there examples of compromised Beckett slabs? I know their thick holders aren't as elegant as PSA/SGC, but they seem to excel at card protection and tamper resistance.

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