Thinking about calling it a day on collecting.

[Brian Van Horn]

Thank you, Tom. It was a pleasure meeting you and Ken Cohen and Cohen's table at Robert Morris a couple years ago. The IRS agent made me a little nervous. I don't know why. I reported all my income.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Thank you, Tom. It was a pleasure meeting you and Ken Cohen and Cohen's table at Robert Morris a couple years ago. The IRS agent made me a little nervous. I don't know why. I reported all my income.

In 1990 I was set up at a show with my table of vintage oddball cards. The dealer next to me had stacks of 1989 Upper Deck and was selling Griffey and Sheffield rookies like they were going out of style. I think he was pricing them a few bucks below market. We got to talking and he started bragging about the thousands of undeclared dollars he was making every weekend selling Griffey rookies. $10,000 one show, $5,000 another show, and so on. Eventually he asked me what I did and I told him that I practiced law. He asked what kind and I said I am a tax lawyer with the IRS's tax fraud division. He turned about fifty shades of whiter then green. I thought he was going to puke.

The moral of the story is that if you are making a fortune in cash and aren't booking the revenue, STFU.

[bobbyw8469]

I certainly skip over anything demanding paypal f/f payment.

People usually want that kind of payment, because they are usually wholesaling cards over here with a very small profit margin (I can only speak for myself - I know some sellers are charging thru the roof for their stuff - maybe the can afford to pay all the fees, since they are sky high anyway. If we are going to get beat down to below wholesale prices, we might as well sell everything on Ebay, pay the fees, where we get a gazillion more eyeballs than we do just on Net54. Just a thought....

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

People usually want that kind of payment, because they are usually wholesaling cards over here with a very small profit margin (I can only speak for myself - I know some sellers are charging thru the roof for their stuff - maybe the can afford to pay all the fees, since they are sky high anyway. If we are going to get beat down to below wholesale prices, we might as well sell everything on Ebay, pay the fees, where we get a gazillion more eyeballs than we do just on Net54. Just a thought....

being paid that way. Cheap and easy - less headaches for each side.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

People usually want that kind of payment, because they are usually wholesaling cards over here with a very small profit margin (I can only speak for myself - I know some sellers are charging thru the roof for their stuff - maybe the can afford to pay all the fees, since they are sky high anyway. If we are going to get beat down to below wholesale prices, we might as well sell everything on Ebay, pay the fees, where we get a gazillion more eyeballs than we do just on Net54. Just a thought....

Nice juicy rationalization for misrepresentation and borderline theft. If that floats your boat, go for it.

[bobbyw8469]

Nice juicy rationalization for misrepresentation and borderline theft. If that floats your boat, go for it.

Nope...Not at all. It is no different than posting a want ad in the newspaper, pinning a note on a bullentin board, or posting an ad on Craigslist. Not sure why you think there should be fees involved with any of those? Should selling on here be any different? Or you can just go back to Ebay where everything is bloated - makes no difference to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What's wrong with Paypal f/f? How is it borderline theft? I must be missing the point.

[ZachS]

Brian, I'm sorry to hear that you're considering hanging it up. I for one will miss your monthly sale threads. Many of your cards don't fit my collecting needs but I really enjoy scrolling through the diversity of cards you list. I know I've bought a couple of cards from you (and recently missed out on that Merkle). Hopefully a break will revive your interest and you'll come back soon.

I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do.

Zach

[RGold]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's wrong with Paypal f/f? How is it borderline theft? I must be missing the point.

Yes you are.

Recent changes in the law in most states allows for merchants to surcharge for credit card purchases as long as the surcharge is disclosed on the receipt. The semantics may differ but in essence it is ok to give discounts for not using credit cards or paypal.

The point you are missing is that it's fine to charge less for non credit card purchases, just accept checks, cash, money orders etc.

However, using PaypalF/F in this manner is a violation of the user agreement, pure and simple. Is that fraud or theft, I leave up to lawyers.