Simple Auction Site

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sports-rings

thanks Leon,

that's good to know.

Wish it was kind of mandated by simpleauctinosite.com that all auction houses could not see ceiling bids.

IMO that would have been a bad move on their part. Businesses should be able to do what they want to. It is up to us collectors to support AH's decisions or not. Would you want your car to be limited to the speed limit by the automaker?

[drcy]

Agree with Leon. Simple Auction is offering customized computer software and programing services. It's not up to them to dictate auction houses' bidding rules. They probably wouldn't have many if any customers if they dictated bidding rules and auction houses' shipping rates, premium percentages and return policies on people who paid for their services, and I would imagine a selling point is the software is customizable.

[thehoodedcoder]

If you as a customer, do not trust the software that the auction house uses for, say reliability for taking your bids and it affected your bidding strategies etc. couldn't and wouldn't it affect your business with merchants that use that software?

On a similar note, If you knew that you constantly get screwed by that software's max bid system wouldn't you be hesitant to buy from people that use it?

I'd like to think so. You as a buyer have to trust the seller, and the software manufacturer which is an extension of the sellers business model. It is upon both of them of them to make and implement software with integrity. If there is no useful purpose for that information or that information can only be used to perpetuate things which are illegal, then I would say that it is equally as important for the software manufacturer to put adequate protections into place to protect against their own liability.

I'm certain that if it ever got out, that the software could do that, the number of people wanting to bid with that software using a max bid, would go down fast. I have always questioned to what extent the software protects against someone with above average computer skills, from determining what a max bid is, even if the software had intentions to hide this information and I'd still be interested in investigating the back end, and code to determine if there are any gaps that should be closed.

As a side note, consider this scenario: If say B and L use SimpleAuctionSite for their business and someone finds an exploit in the software which was reported as a problem(lets say personally identifiable information loss or credit card numbers are stolen) which was not addressed by the software vendor who knew the problem existed, the software vendor could be liable for not addressing known issues which resulted in the losses to the customer due to negligence.

Kevin

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

If you as a customer, do not trust the software that the auction house uses for, say reliability for taking your bids and it affected your bidding strategies etc. couldn't and wouldn't it affect your business with merchants that use that software?

On a similar note, If you knew that you constantly get screwed by that software's max bid system wouldn't you be hesitant to buy from people that use it?

I'd like to think so. You as a buyer have to trust the seller, and the software manufacturer which is an extension of the sellers business model. It is upon both of them of them to make and implement software with integrity. If there is no useful purpose for that information or that information can only be used to perpetuate things which are illegal, then I would say that it is equally as important for the software manufacturer to put adequate protections into place to protect against their own liability.

I'm certain that if it ever got out, that the software could do that, the number of people wanting to bid with that software using a max bid, would go down fast. I have always questioned to what extent the software protects against someone with above average computer skills, from determining what a max bid is, even if the software had intentions to hide this information and I'd still be interested in investigating the back end, and code to determine if there are any gaps that should be closed.

As a side note, consider this scenario: If say B and L use SimpleAuctionSite for their business and someone finds an exploit in the software which was reported as a problem(lets say personally identifiable information loss or credit card numbers are stolen) which was not addressed by the software vendor who knew the problem existed, the software vendor could be liable for not addressing known issues which resulted in the losses to the customer due to negligence.

Kevin

If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but I don't think the point was lost...thanks Denny )

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Leon

If my aunt had tits she would be my uncle. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass.

Ahhh... Leon my good friend! I think you might be a bit upset at sed poster!
I do believe that your Aunt has tits... And Your Uncle is Very Grateful for those

[sports-rings]

On a similar note, If you knew that you constantly get screwed by that software's max bid system wouldn't you be hesitant to buy from people that use it?

It's so rare that I put a max bid in, but I can't imagine what good can come out of an auction house or their employees knowing my max bid.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, this is a new auction house.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Leon

If my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally I think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but I don't think the point was lost...thanks Denny )

Um. Sure. If your uncle had tits, he would not be your aunt, he would have gynocomastia.

There wasn't a single accusation in the post though, so I'm really not sure where you are going with your entire response. It really is quite defensive though, I must say.

I do, however work in the IT industry. I don't think it would be very hard for me to find something that needs improvement in the way of security. I'm guessing by your response, you would never be interested in finding any holes in the software. Right?

The fact of the matter is I was just on the phone today with love of the game auctions and there is a problem with the Amount Due calculations in the Simple Auction Software. If the proper billing amount can't be summed correctly, do you think the rest of the software is bullet proof? Go ahead and call them up and ask about the issue if you want.

Over time, there have been off board discussions about the software that give me even greater confidence in my suspicions.

Maybe since you use the software you can answer the burning question. Does the software allow you to see a max bid in any way?

Kevin

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Maybe since you use the software you can answer the burning question. Does the software allow you to see a max bid in any way?

Kevin

Hey there Kevin,

I do Believe that Leon answered your question even before you asked!
I do admire Your due diligence into the matter. However, Strictly from a Business Standpoint, And You even said that You work in the IT geek world...
I would almost imagine that You would really understand the point that when a company provides a Service, Having as many options available for the Customer to Choose from is what Provider/Customer diversity is all about.

I do believe that You see clear to the option of "Can or Can't See"...
And I do understand Your "Hobby Watch Mentality".
I think the issue here just lies into All of uS being as diligent as You have been.

No one like's to be Shilled... oR!?
The Provider is Just the Provider... The Provider is Not Responsible for how others Run their Company... Nor should they be!

Just my 2 pennies

As Always...

[thehoodedcoder]

By that same logic, then sponsors shouldn't drop sports stars when they do things that hurt their image? After all, they are just a company and bear no burden from who or what their sponsored individuals do in their personal time? Right?

Lets take it even a step further. What if the software had the ability to install malware to your computer to serve advertising. It is only on the auction house to determine if they want to infect your computer with unwanted advertising. It is offered in the auction software, but the auction house gets to chose whether they use it or not? Does that sound like a good idea? I mean, its the responsibility of the auction house on what they do, and who they do business with after all right?

Lets be realistic here. The auction house software provider has a responsibility to not provide options which so easily promote unethical behavior and have absolutely no real useful business value. Not only that, knowing that fraud is being committed with your software and doing nothing about it is negligent in regards to the law. Most businesses wouldn't want this burden and unnecessary risk looming over their business.

Kevin

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by leon

if my uncle had tits he would be my aunt. You make a lot of accusations and assumptions and personally i think you are speaking out of your ass. (changed to make sense, but i don't think the point was lost...thanks denny )

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