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Old 07-06-2014, 10:43 PM
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19 is definitely Steve Yzerman.

5 goes to Nick Lidstrom. Brooks and Joe D were awesome, no question, but Lidstrom was better.
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8 - Cal Ripken, Jr.
19 - John Unitas
21 - Roberto Clemente
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24 - Willie Mays
87 - Sidney Crosby
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19 is definitely Steve Yzerman.

5 goes to Nick Lidstrom. Brooks and Joe D were awesome, no question, but Lidstrom was better.
Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever-and it pains me to say that as a Milwaukeean who is supposed to hate all Detroit sports teams. But DiMaggio is one of the ten greatest hitters in the game's history. And as great as Lidstrom was, in my humble opinion, nothing he ever did surpassed DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

And even if you put Lidstrom's career accomplishments and rings up against DiMaggio's career accomplishments and rings, and by some stroke of luck they tied, Joe has the tiebreaker.


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Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever
Better than Bobby Orr? No chance.
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Better than Bobby Orr? No chance.
I'm sorry, Jim. I was just basing that on people I've seen play. I never saw Orr play. It's like when people ask me to name the best running backs, and I say Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, etc. Invariably, I get asked "No Jim Brown?" Well, I never saw him play, so I can't comment on how good he was, unless I want to base my opinion on what other people say about him.

Of the four major sports, hockey is the one I know the least about, though I love the game. I actually like hockey more than I like basketball now.
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I'm sorry, Jim. I was just basing that on people I've seen play. I never saw Orr play. It's like when people ask me to name the best running backs, and I say Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, etc. Invariably, I get asked "No Jim Brown?" Well, I never saw him play, so I can't comment on how good he was, unless I want to base my opinion on what other people say about him.

Of the four major sports, hockey is the one I know the least about, though I love the game. I actually like hockey more than I like basketball now.
OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124
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OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124
Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".
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Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".
A guy is escorted into heaven by St. Peter. First thing he sees is someone skating on a pond. He asks, who's that? St. Peter replies, "That's God. He thinks he's Bobby Orr."
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Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".
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You said you didn't give a **** about hockey
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You held my hand and we walked home the long way
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OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124
Soooo hard to compare eras. There's absolutely zero doubt in mind that Orr, were he playing today, would not lead the league in scoring. I also have no doubt he'd get nowhere near a +124 (Konstantinov is the only guy in the last 30 years to even reach +60). That's not to try and diminish Orr, who obviously is a legend. Just that things are different now. I won't make a claim that Lidstrom is the best of all-time. But Lidstrom's 4 Cups, 6 Norris Trophies (and 3 runners-up), and 20 years as an elite player certainly put him in the top 2 or 3.
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Well argued, so we'll add a third vote for Lidstrom just to stir things up.

But wait -- was our nomination of Horton for 2 not taken seriously? A deserving Hall of Famer,
and 2 is the only one of his numbers that's been retired by any of the teams for which he played...
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Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever-and it pains me to say that as a Milwaukeean who is supposed to hate all Detroit sports teams. But DiMaggio is one of the ten greatest hitters in the game's history. And as great as Lidstrom was, in my humble opinion, nothing he ever did surpassed DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.
I looked at it this way: Joe D is not one of the top 3 or 4 guys ever at his position. Nick is, so Nick over Joe D for #5. Have no problem with anybody picking Joe though - this one is as close as it gets.

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And even if you put Lidstrom's career accomplishments and rings up against DiMaggio's career accomplishments and rings, and by some stroke of luck they tied, Joe has the tiebreaker.


"Hi, I am Marilyn, and I will be Joltin' Joe's tiebreaker."
Tough to argue with that Still, Nick married a gorgeous Swedish lady. He ain't far behind
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