The Hall of Fame of Uniform Numbers

sebie43 · #1 07-07-2014, 09:56 AM

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

Peter_Spaeth · #2 07-07-2014, 10:06 AM

How many songs is Lidstrom mentioned in?

tedzan · #3 07-07-2014, 10:39 AM

#1........ Billy Martin

#8........ Bill Dickey

#9........ Roger Maris (Yankees, Cardinals)

#10...... Phil Rizzuto

#14...... Gil Hodges

#23...... Don Mattingly

#36...... Johnny Mize

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glynparson · #4 07-07-2014, 10:43 AM

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 07-07-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

Terrell Owens belongs in the discussion too.

nolemmings · #6 07-07-2014, 11:25 AM

Allow me to disagree Peter. The career numbers might suggest so, but no one could dominate, nor draw such defensive attention, like the Freak. His talent was off the charts.

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe TO does belong in the discussion if you just look at the years after Randy left the Vikings for the dark side and wore #81 (like Owens) instead of #84.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 07-07-2014, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nolemmings

Allow me to disagree Peter. The career numbers might suggest so, but no one could dominate, nor draw such defensive attention, like the Freak. His talent was off the charts.

As a Patriots fan I think the world of Moss' talents. Suggest you read this, however.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...han-randy-moss

Peter_Spaeth · #8 07-07-2014, 10:46 AM

To continue Ted's thought, Mariano Rivera, 42.

the 'stache · #9 07-10-2014, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sebie43

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

I had baseball reference run a report of all players who between 1900 and 2014 accumulated 3,000 or more plate appearances, of which 75% of games played were as a center fielder. There are 92 such players. And on that list, Joe DiMaggio is the #2 center fielder in modern baseball history. Tris Speaker played much of his career in the dead ball era (which ended in 1919. Speaker started playing in 1907). The only player ahead of DiMaggio on the list is Willie Mays. DiMaggio's OPS + is 155. Mays put up a 156 OPS +. Willie Mays lost nearly two years of his baseball career when drafted by the army during the Korean War. Mays was 21 and 22 in his second and third year. Joe DiMaggio, however, lost three full seasons of his prime (1943, '44 and '45 when he was 28, 29 and 30) to military service in the air force.

Bill James stated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home ballpark (Yankee Stadium) than any other player in history. Mickey Mantle stated that he and Whitey Ford witnessed many DiMaggio blasts that would have been home runs in any other stadium beside Yankee Stadium. 1.

These numbers, of course, only measure offense. And while Mays was an outstanding defensive outfielder, DiMaggio was a pretty good outfielder in his own regard.

You have to think that if DiMaggio has those three seasons in his prime, he exceeds 500 home runs and 2,000 RBI. And his OPS + goes up by at least one point, tying Mays, if not 2.

So the short answer, is Joe DiMaggio the second best center fielder of all-time? I would say yes, as far as center fielders of the modern era are concerned. He might even be, and in my opinion would have been, the best center fielder in modern baseball history.

Butch7999 · #10 07-10-2014, 03:02 AM

All due respect, but you sure you ran that right?
Mantle played 76% of his games in center and ran up a career OPS+ of 172...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...antlmi01.shtml
Apologies if we're missing something...

frankbmd · #11 07-10-2014, 05:06 AM

More impressive to me than Joe's consecutive game hitting streak in 1941 is the fact that for his entire career he hit 361 home rums and struck out only 369 times.

That is a career HR/K ratio of .978731978, which is phenomenal.

Third place in this metric is probably Yogi who had 358 home runs and 414 career strike outs for a ratio of .86.

The list of those above .50 I would maintain is very short. There are a few though including Lefty O'Doul, Johnny Mize, Lou Gehrig, Kluszewski, Ott, Musial, Williams and Dickey. Actually O'Doul is above Berra, but with a much shorter career. There may be a few others.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 07-10-2014, 06:41 AM

And even more impressive than that are TWO great nicknames -- Joltin' Joe and the Yankee Clipper.

Not to mention the immortal lyric, we want you on our side.

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